Yes. Wider shoulders come from metric fuck tons of Lateral raises ime. Up right rows help too. Just building out the Lateral head of the delt.
Overall appearance width, build those and focus on lats. You'll be wide af. Honestly though, just try cutting down some. That'll improve the ratio a lot for you.
This, to me, is utter perfection. I can't place my finger on what it is about this physique that looks so perfect. I think it's the perfect balance of muscle and bodyfat. What bf% would you say this is?
I've been growing well from 3-5 sets done 3 times a week. I really like cable or machine Lateral raises over db. They give me a better pump. I also keep my sets in the 10-20 range. I find Lateral raises are best for just a ton of reps and done to unbearable soreness.
Hope he’s trolling. Making your back muscles larger doesnt make your frame wider, they’re only larger in place. Your frame is obviously your genetics and bone structure. You can do some things like build up delts and lose fat around the waist to max out the ratio, but it will ultimately come down to frame
Same way they lengthen leg bone. You're gonna want to make a clean incision in the middle of each clavicle and pull them apart about 1mm each day so the bone heals. Keep in mind you'll never be able to use your arms again but you'll have a good frame.
>you'll never be able to use your arms again
with steroids and a good frame, you won't have to. no need to work out and women will take care of everything else for you.
I know this is a shitpost but it's also unironically true. If you are an attractive man you can easily get a gaggle of women to look after you. It's so funny looking at complete deadbeats taking some dumb ho for all she's got.
>Pullups for that V >Overhead press for mass >Side & Rear delt raises for symmetry & hypertrophy >Stomach vacuums and planks for keeping the core tight
measured the waist wrong. you gotta measure the narrowest part, so higher up in this case. and you're holding your arms off to the sides, not vertically, so you're cheating on shoulder width with your pose.
And so were the should-to-waist-ratiolets born. People will hyperfocus on the most inane bullshit instead of just working on being an enjoyable person to be around.
mirin, but i do gotta say, the combo of high lat insertions and non visible abs makes your torso look really developed from the pecs up, and completely underdeveloped from bottom of tits to waist.
Circumference impacts the ratio with smaller/bigger anterior and posterior delts.
On paper, you will have a different ratio depending on the above but looking at you from the front (which is the whole point), it's not gonna show more or less.
>ideal ratio desired by women is 1.6
not really. Where that number comes from, is they assume the golden ratio would apply the shoulder to waist ratio. That is just an assumption though, not a bad one, but wrong. Wide shoulders are attractive because they signal upper body strength, (and really just masculinity) and that association does not stop past 1.6, thus the attraction to wider shoulders does not stop. also picking the waist and shoulders is arbitrary, why non say the shoulder to head, or shoulder to hip ratio should be 1.618 (which would mean the shoulder waist ratio would have to be some other value)
>but study I googled said 1.6
I googled it too, pic rel is how they 'measured' it apparently
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Alan-Dixson/publication/10891582_Masculine_Somatotype_and_Hirsuteness_as_Determinants_of_Sexual_Attractiveness_to_Women/links/54e2adf90cf29666379720b7/Masculine-Somatotype-and-Hirsuteness-as-Determinants-of-Sexual-Attractiveness-to-Women.pdf
maybe the women didn't find the disfigured drawings attractive
HOW THE FUCK DO YOU TAKE THESE MEASURMENTS
I just spend 20 minutes trying to wrap a piece of tape around my shoulders until my roommate walked in on me. Not to mention the waist measurement ripped out a bunch of body hair and stung like a bitch. What the best way to do this?
it really isn't. the shoulder to waist or shoulder to hip ratio is strictly about the perspective from the front or back. it's a 2D visual cue. it's why every man poses in a way that shows his upper torso from the front or back and hides away his hips or sucks in the gut. the thickness of your torso is a totally different issue. nobody ever talks about "shoulder depth", only shoulder width.
>nobody ever talks about "shoulder depth", only shoulder width.
Definitely not to you but girls recognize and appreciate thickness in the shoulders, chest, and upper back
of course they do but it's a different metric. you could have a barrel chest and a shitty shoulder to waist or hip ratio at the same time, so there's no use in the circumference number. it's too general.
To the dummies in the thread waist is measured by circumference and therefore the shoulder width also needs to be measured in circumference so that the ratio is a measurement of two of the same things this isn’t rocket science
Oh sorry let me respond with some schizo-post about how women need a perfect 1.6 ratio and if you don't have it you're a shouldercel. So funny lmao!!! Fuck off homosexual don't try to quality control my posts.
1.5, easily 1.6 when I'm shredded.
I, like many, was considered about my wide hips before I started lifting. Turns out my hips weren't wide, they just looked that way because I had no upper body muscle
1.5
50.5 inch shoulders 34 inch waist.
I’m at 51” shoulders 38” waist. Can you actually train to be wider? I never train shoulders specifically, as in no isolation work for them
Yes. Wider shoulders come from metric fuck tons of Lateral raises ime. Up right rows help too. Just building out the Lateral head of the delt.
Overall appearance width, build those and focus on lats. You'll be wide af. Honestly though, just try cutting down some. That'll improve the ratio a lot for you.
1.1
I have completely cursed bone structure 🙂
pic pls
1.9
wouldn't that be circumference and not breadth?
Yes it’s circumference obviously
The ratio is about width
How do you measure this?
This, to me, is utter perfection. I can't place my finger on what it is about this physique that looks so perfect. I think it's the perfect balance of muscle and bodyfat. What bf% would you say this is?
the age-old questions:
how to increase shoulder width
First understand that you cant change bone structure.
Your other option is delts.
yeah that's what I meant
what are we thinking, just thousands of lateral raises or do we know any secret recipes
I've been growing well from 3-5 sets done 3 times a week. I really like cable or machine Lateral raises over db. They give me a better pump. I also keep my sets in the 10-20 range. I find Lateral raises are best for just a ton of reps and done to unbearable soreness.
Built your delts, it'll make you look wider. Can't change bones tho
You have to work your lats and upper back. Do pull ups
Retard dyels
Lats insert at the scapula. How tf would they impact shoulder width? Lol
How long have you been lifting for? Be honest.
Hope he’s trolling. Making your back muscles larger doesnt make your frame wider, they’re only larger in place. Your frame is obviously your genetics and bone structure. You can do some things like build up delts and lose fat around the waist to max out the ratio, but it will ultimately come down to frame
>Making your back muscles larger doesnt make your frame wider
Dyel. Poo in loo.
hes right retard
No he's not, Pajeet.
4 years.
>Lats insert at the scapula
The time it takes to google this is less than writing that post.
Spoiler: It inserts on the upper humerus.
Pull ups and lat raises.
Don't be fat so your waist looks smaller.
Same way they lengthen leg bone. You're gonna want to make a clean incision in the middle of each clavicle and pull them apart about 1mm each day so the bone heals. Keep in mind you'll never be able to use your arms again but you'll have a good frame.
>you'll never be able to use your arms again
with steroids and a good frame, you won't have to. no need to work out and women will take care of everything else for you.
I know this is a shitpost but it's also unironically true. If you are an attractive man you can easily get a gaggle of women to look after you. It's so funny looking at complete deadbeats taking some dumb ho for all she's got.
Dislocate shoulders 10 x failure
>Pullups for that V
>Overhead press for mass
>Side & Rear delt raises for symmetry & hypertrophy
>Stomach vacuums and planks for keeping the core tight
Because 1.61 is right around the golden ratio. Want to know who had a perfect golden ratio? Guess.
do zyzz fans know how insufferable they are
Do you know how much you need to dilate
post body
He probably exceeded it
1.8 but I'm probably measuring wrong.
>1.8
I thinks so
Not sure someone guesstimate
i don't know either but it's more than me
I’m dyel so I’m fucked off rip
did you get stabbed in the kidney?
That's where the stomach is.
...did you get stabbed in the stomach? (Why do you have that trough in your abdomen?)
>bruh what?
mirin
0 o
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impossible to guess, cause you're anglefrauding
The same shoulder-hip ratio as your phone.
Gottem. Holy shit. I really thought he had an inhuman ratio until you pointed that out.
1.21 as a fatty.
Probs like 1.7 to waist… but more like 1.3 or 1.4 to hips. X frame.
>Probs
Don't talk like a gay teenager
Also nobody cares about what you think your measurements are unless you post pictures
1.62
>47" shoulders
>29" waist
>still an incel
44in shoulder, 28 inch waist. Almost at the 1.6 ratio but I'm still kind of a twig bitch
I have a 1.7 ratio and it will get slightly bigger as I build my shoulders and get leaner
>20.5" bideltoid
>12 inches across waist
1.67 but still a khv dyel…
measured the waist wrong. you gotta measure the narrowest part, so higher up in this case. and you're holding your arms off to the sides, not vertically, so you're cheating on shoulder width with your pose.
Like 1.5 not sure if i'm measuring properly.
And so were the should-to-waist-ratiolets born. People will hyperfocus on the most inane bullshit instead of just working on being an enjoyable person to be around.
1.6
119cm/47 inch shoulder (exhaled), 74cm/29inch waist (slightly held inwards/relaxed but not soft)
180cm height
Geometrylet here. Do I measure across or around or will they both result on the same ratio?
1.7 by circumference
2.0 by width alone
whats up with your nipples bro
mirin, but i do gotta say, the combo of high lat insertions and non visible abs makes your torso look really developed from the pecs up, and completely underdeveloped from bottom of tits to waist.
1.59
Almost there.
Terrible chest gap
I wouldn't be an interesting villain without a weak spot.
> Villain.
> Weak spot.
Yeah its your height my man. Napoleon pilled?
how do you retarded homosexuals don't know how to measure a fucking ratio? it's not a fucking circumference
Op has easily the best physique itt
If some algorithm says otherwise, it's bad algorithm
Very close to 1:1.
I face a disappointing tradeoff between being lean with bad shoulder proportions or being fat with average proportions.
Genetically I'm basically pearanon.
None of this is true. Lift and you'll improve your ratio. Even pearanon could have 1.6 if he unfucked himself.
you look like shit bro stop posting this photo and eat more.
Post body. I bet your ass is large like a watermelon
1,57
110 cm shoulders and ~70 waist
2.1 so i'm probably measuring wrong
47 in shoulders 35 in waist
i'm a Hispanic so all the fat is in my gut, I"m actually between 15-17% bf
33 inch waist and 54 inch shoulders
54/33 = 1,63
FUck yes bros WAGMI
You have to measure it like OP it doesn't matter your measurements but how you look
Mine is 1.3 and I'm a woman. Congrats little tranny
ywnbaw
>It's a SwoleShack confuses circumference and diameter thread
Americans truly are the dumbest people on Earth.
Circumference impacts the ratio with smaller/bigger anterior and posterior delts.
On paper, you will have a different ratio depending on the above but looking at you from the front (which is the whole point), it's not gonna show more or less.
1.96
That's retarded
You are retarded
1.75 (circumfrence)
>ideal ratio desired by women is 1.6
not really. Where that number comes from, is they assume the golden ratio would apply the shoulder to waist ratio. That is just an assumption though, not a bad one, but wrong. Wide shoulders are attractive because they signal upper body strength, (and really just masculinity) and that association does not stop past 1.6, thus the attraction to wider shoulders does not stop. also picking the waist and shoulders is arbitrary, why non say the shoulder to head, or shoulder to hip ratio should be 1.618 (which would mean the shoulder waist ratio would have to be some other value)
>but study I googled said 1.6
I googled it too, pic rel is how they 'measured' it apparently
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Alan-Dixson/publication/10891582_Masculine_Somatotype_and_Hirsuteness_as_Determinants_of_Sexual_Attractiveness_to_Women/links/54e2adf90cf29666379720b7/Masculine-Somatotype-and-Hirsuteness-as-Determinants-of-Sexual-Attractiveness-to-Women.pdf
maybe the women didn't find the disfigured drawings attractive
Well, that's some research, instead of broscience,
HOW THE FUCK DO YOU TAKE THESE MEASURMENTS
I just spend 20 minutes trying to wrap a piece of tape around my shoulders until my roommate walked in on me. Not to mention the waist measurement ripped out a bunch of body hair and stung like a bitch. What the best way to do this?
just use paint. see
But it's the circumference you're after, not the horizontal width.
no
it really isn't. the shoulder to waist or shoulder to hip ratio is strictly about the perspective from the front or back. it's a 2D visual cue. it's why every man poses in a way that shows his upper torso from the front or back and hides away his hips or sucks in the gut. the thickness of your torso is a totally different issue. nobody ever talks about "shoulder depth", only shoulder width.
>nobody ever talks about "shoulder depth", only shoulder width.
Definitely not to you but girls recognize and appreciate thickness in the shoulders, chest, and upper back
of course they do but it's a different metric. you could have a barrel chest and a shitty shoulder to waist or hip ratio at the same time, so there's no use in the circumference number. it's too general.
use paint to take measurements?
Shoulders: 44.9"
Waist: 29.5"
Hips: 31.5"
Ratio: ~1,52
1.55 reporting in.
Goal is to build more chest back and shoulders, then reduce waist. Gotta get that 1.65
did you shop a shadow into this
No thats my peen
>width (cm)
46/32=1,44
IDK but it's probably not good because I look like a tiny t-rex aka massive legs, small arms and giant head.
No lats pill seems to be working huh? Do more chin ups you homosexual!
To the dummies in the thread waist is measured by circumference and therefore the shoulder width also needs to be measured in circumference so that the ratio is a measurement of two of the same things this isn’t rocket science
Idk but I've never worried about it so probably pretty good.
You should put a little more effort into your posts friendo. No one gives a shit about your diary.
Oh sorry let me respond with some schizo-post about how women need a perfect 1.6 ratio and if you don't have it you're a shouldercel. So funny lmao!!! Fuck off homosexual don't try to quality control my posts.
About that pic
6’2 with 20 inch shoulders
Walk into doorframes all the times
Still dyel too
Oh shit you want circumference
I was just measuring clavicle to clavicle lol
You tell me
>1.57
1.5, easily 1.6 when I'm shredded.
I, like many, was considered about my wide hips before I started lifting. Turns out my hips weren't wide, they just looked that way because I had no upper body muscle
concerned* not considered
58,25" shoulders
37,5" waist
5'11"
Still fat as fatass