>weight loss is a hundred times harder than weight gain
fucking hell, finally someone with some sanity. It's like people forget what's its like having low energy while still needing to lift heavy.
>weight loss is a hundred times harder than weight gain
fucking hell, finally someone with some sanity. It's like people forget what's its like having low energy while still needing to lift heavy.
>weight loss is a hundred times harder than weight gain
False. Losing weight is a breeze compared to gaining weight. You're just fatties with no self control
I'm a natural skelly and if I'm not eating at least 4k calories daily i lose weight so quickly it's ridiculous
Started at 130 and am now at 180 pounds after lifting for two years but i lost 10 pounds after just a week of being sick a couple of months back
Like
staying lean and gaining mass is a challenge, but i can understand the sentiment
[...] >weight loss is a hundred times harder than weight gain
Weight loss is easy.. Weight gain is turbo easy.. muscle gain's a bitch
Gaining weight is only hard if you're retarded and want to do a clean bulk.
Clean bulking is a 2010s meme, the concept literally didn't exist before. Yes, pro bodybuilders eat chinese buffet and a family size pizza drenched with olive oil for bulking and become fat as fuck during bulking. No, they don't eat 20 lbs of chicken breast, rice and broccoli a day - that's the diet for cutting.
You fags just want everything at once (Losing fat PLUS gaining muscle) and wonder why you run into problems. You're retarded.
It depends on what you mean by ‘bulking.’ There nothing wrong with staying healthy but eating at a caloric surplus. Isn’t that still technically bulking? It’s mainly the batshit insane GOMAD-style dirty bulks that make people fat.
you see your quivering bloated lard rolls in the mirror and tell yourself its part of the cycle, we're lean mean 24/7 while u inflate like balloon eating dorito chip.
I eat 3.5k calories daily, 180g protein. 10%bf and steadily increasing in size and strength while not gaining any body fat. The trick is to eat clean, above maintenance and intermittent fast. Cope harder, fatty.
There’s no reason to get fat. Ever. Gaining fat means you are eating too much. If you are bulking, you should (ideally) be eating the exact amount of calories it takes to grow your muscles. If you are gaining bf%, reduce your calorie intake. Getting fat is for retards that are too dumb/lazy to figure out their caloric needs, and steroid users who grow muscle just by sitting on the couch.
I have gained over 30 pounds since I started bulking and actually look like I lift according to normies, but I guess I should have pulled muscle mass out of my ass and gained muscle while not eating at a surplus.
this 100% especially if you're over 25
weight loss is a hundred times harder than weight gain, there's a decent documentary about it
After close to a decade of lifting, I kind of hypothesize this is the case. At least 'intentional bulking'. Assuming your lifting and sleeping like your suppose to, your body is going to naturally ramp up your appetite in order to compensate (especially if you are a 16-18 noob lifter), so in that sense it is a 'bulk' but it's unintentional. 'Intentional bulking' in the sense of obsessively counting calories or voluntarily cramming your face seems unnecessary to me (unless you're competing in bbuilding/powershitting), even harmful, it fosters a lot of bad habits that I've been trying to kick lately. The "WHATEVER IT TAKES YOU GOTTA EAT BIG TO GET BIG C'MON" mindset is probably damaging.
If you just eat clean and train right. EATING PURELY TO SATIATE HUNGER is most likely ideal for OPTIMAL health and you can still get a physique that mogs any normie that doesn't compete.
That is the advice, fren. If you go to the gym without a log book and don't try to progressively increase the load you are severely impairing your muscle development.
I gained massive aesthetics and strength by going real heavy 5x5 with some iso 4x8-12 work here and there, my manlet roommate always went to failure too and was shocked by my gains
hmmmmmmmmm
I'm the one who brought the log book point. And I can say that this works. The issue is: We cheat ourselves a lot. If you don't have a goal, you will keep pushing to failure with two plates for a year and feel like you are doing your best. But if you had someone there yelling at you to do one more rep, you would do 1,2,5more rep. So, you are not really pushing to failure. You are just pretending you are pushing to failure.
If you write down every exercise and try to increase the number of reps or the weight every session. You'll improve faster.
Other techniques also works. But you end up in a guessing game. What if I pre-exhaust my chest before the bench is that more or less than a drop-set? Or, a rest pause? It's easier and clearer to shut down everything else and just work on progressing reps and load. In a good form with proper range of motion.
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Why doesn't this work?
I don't have a link but there was some study that showed that people subconsciously relax when they think they're near their goal. They did something like time people at 100 meter dash and also have them run a 200m while secretly timing how fast they cleared 100m and found their records were when they were shooting for 200.
Your body will lie to you and pretend like it's at its limit if you don't have a reason to go beyond
I gained massive aesthetics and strength by going real heavy 5x5 with some iso 4x8-12 work here and there, my manlet roommate always went to failure too and was shocked by my gains
hmmmmmmmmm
muh buddy anecdotal evidence
https://i.imgur.com/XJGVINH.gif
>I was failing with 12 reps >Now I'm failing with 8 reps >I'm gaining muscle
hurr durr
that means you're overtrained, don't need to keep a gay logbook to know that, you retard
I'm the one who brought the log book point. And I can say that this works. The issue is: We cheat ourselves a lot. If you don't have a goal, you will keep pushing to failure with two plates for a year and feel like you are doing your best. But if you had someone there yelling at you to do one more rep, you would do 1,2,5more rep. So, you are not really pushing to failure. You are just pretending you are pushing to failure.
If you write down every exercise and try to increase the number of reps or the weight every session. You'll improve faster.
Other techniques also works. But you end up in a guessing game. What if I pre-exhaust my chest before the bench is that more or less than a drop-set? Or, a rest pause? It's easier and clearer to shut down everything else and just work on progressing reps and load. In a good form with proper range of motion.
[...]
I don't have a link but there was some study that showed that people subconsciously relax when they think they're near their goal. They did something like time people at 100 meter dash and also have them run a 200m while secretly timing how fast they cleared 100m and found their records were when they were shooting for 200.
Your body will lie to you and pretend like it's at its limit if you don't have a reason to go beyond
true, this technique works but it is not for beginners
Not necessarily true. If you do the same weight, for the same amount of reps and sets, but you move the weight slower and with more control, that is progression. There are millions of ways to progress.
>strength training
It changed the way I look at routines and also allowed me to find something fun inside the gym since I was bored of those same rep schemes and lack of progress in many exercises >isolate your abs, forearms and calves
I do hammer curls, reverse curls and standing wrist curls (I let the weight descend to my finger tips on the negative).
I'd use wrist rollers and fat grips in everything if I had these devices, they seem to be god tier for forearms.
i learned i was doing squats wrong yesterday. you aren't supposed to let your knees go past your toes. doing it correctly feels a lot nicer on my lower thigh, i can feel the stretch
Depends on the bar placement
Many people squat with low bar mechanics and high placement or vice versa
Either one produces weird results
I didn't start getting real quad engagement until I did high bars with almost no forward lean, knees protruding
Diet + consistency >>>> everything else. A man that eats an actually healthy diet while doing 30mins of generic calisthenics every day, with zero cheating, would absolutely mog all but the most dedicated roiders. That man would also make every butter golem within a ten mile radius seethe on an existential level, since their success is due to will power alone, thus proving their spiritual superiority to the gods.
Just do something and don't overanalyze. Worst mistake noobs do is going to the internet for advice as beginners instead of just picking up weights. Its not complicated and you don't need any fucking excel sheet to tell you what to do and when or autistically min-amx your foods.
Always simplify stuff, don't waste your time by trying to min max your training like those research citing nerds, just do what's simple and what feels good to you
>Front squating light as trying to avoid reinjuring back >Manlet who have been grunting and slamming weights all session waddles over. >Hey bro that bar is way too far forward, which is causing a lot of load on your lower back, keep your elbows up. >Drop spaghetti from my pockets and thank him for his input >Lift my elbows and feel the weight shift into my legs
Arnold when he was talking about training more intelligently: >Some guys will lift for years and look like shit, having no gains at all >They don't come in with a plan to attack the weights and work on it until they get it right, so they spin their wheels forever.
After years of lifting I've come to the realization that autistic gymcel manlets >Alphadestiny >Jeff Nippard >CanditoHQ
are the good guys of lifting and if you just follow their advice as a regular, hardworking natty you should be able to achieve whatever (realistic) goals you have.
hit each muscle 2-3x a week
hit each muscle in the 8-20 range for hypertrophy > Big muscles hitting 8-12, small hitting 12-15/20
eat protein to at least 0.75 bodyweight, but just eat 1g/lb
eat 25% of your bodyweight in fat, but nothing more is needed (learned that the hard way eating less lmao)
cut at 9.5-1% of bw (actually divide bf% / 15% and thats the % you can MAX cut at, but you WILL binge eat doing that lmao)
bulk at 75-125-250-375 cals, less the more you advance
failure is a meme, but progressive overload is king, which requires "faliure" to an extent
the thing nobody told me?
what happens during cutting/bulking to your mentality on food. the hyperphagia with cutting and forcefeeding with bulking.
the best practice for skinnies, is to forcefeed on a cut (with veggies and meats) to stretch your stomach to allow to eat more while you are hungrier during a cut.
the best practices for fatties is to shrink your stomach on a bulk (with oats and liquid cals and fat meat) so you can't eat as much food in general.
but you should always make sure you can BARELY hit the target for the day, something like "oh I'm so full I HAVE to drink this 125calories protein shake tee hee". It will always make sure you literally "can't get fat" which is wrong, but correct.
Second would be buges with the "if you want to get better at a movement, do it every single time you're in the gym" which helped my bench and rows explode.
When doing kneeling cable crunches, pretend like you are trying to suck your own dick,
seriously it works so fucking well, your brain knows exactly which muscles to flex when you let the unconcious part of your body control the movement, kinda like running.
Bulking as a natty is a one weigh ticket to fat and ugly I will never do it again
this 100% especially if you're over 25
weight loss is a hundred times harder than weight gain, there's a decent documentary about it
lmao fake as fuck
fat? just fast for as long as you can, and keep doing that for a month
most of the fat gone, wa la
>needs a documentarry to tell him that stuffing your face is easier than taking care of yourself
lol no wonder you got fat
>weight loss is a hundred times harder than weight gain
true
>especially if you're over 25
false
LITERALLY just eat less
Or eat ass
>weight loss is a hundred times harder than weight gain
fucking hell, finally someone with some sanity. It's like people forget what's its like having low energy while still needing to lift heavy.
>weight loss is a hundred times harder than weight gain
False. Losing weight is a breeze compared to gaining weight. You're just fatties with no self control
Worrying about age or whatever other barrier is a demonic spook. Just an obstacle to be overcome. Be consistent, even against your own will.
I'm a natural skelly and if I'm not eating at least 4k calories daily i lose weight so quickly it's ridiculous
Started at 130 and am now at 180 pounds after lifting for two years but i lost 10 pounds after just a week of being sick a couple of months back
Like
said it's putting on muscle that's a bitch
>doing something is easier than doing nothing
It is far more difficult to stuff your face more than it is to just not eat, fatty
I dunno maybe this is true for most people but I was Mr. Skeletal most of my life. I got like no gains until I started to intentionally eat more.
World is fucking obese, dude. You know damn well it's true "for most people."
Kudos on eating like a 4-year-old girl most your life, I guess.
I dunno man I always order the double cheeseburger meal. Just built different I guess.
Gaining weight is only hard if you're retarded and want to do a clean bulk.
Clean bulking is a 2010s meme, the concept literally didn't exist before. Yes, pro bodybuilders eat chinese buffet and a family size pizza drenched with olive oil for bulking and become fat as fuck during bulking. No, they don't eat 20 lbs of chicken breast, rice and broccoli a day - that's the diet for cutting.
You fags just want everything at once (Losing fat PLUS gaining muscle) and wonder why you run into problems. You're retarded.
this im 175 but my gf told me to cut because i got too big. i was 140 when i met her and trusted the bulk proccess
It depends on what you mean by ‘bulking.’ There nothing wrong with staying healthy but eating at a caloric surplus. Isn’t that still technically bulking? It’s mainly the batshit insane GOMAD-style dirty bulks that make people fat.
naggers like you really think you can just stay lean year round and still somehow magically make gains while staying at the same bf% as a natty lol
you see your quivering bloated lard rolls in the mirror and tell yourself its part of the cycle, we're lean mean 24/7 while u inflate like balloon eating dorito chip.
I eat 3.5k calories daily, 180g protein. 10%bf and steadily increasing in size and strength while not gaining any body fat. The trick is to eat clean, above maintenance and intermittent fast. Cope harder, fatty.
If its above maintenance then its bulking lil bro.
You can.
I kinda agree, I think one should only bulk hard during the first 6 months or so to max beginner gains, then just stay at maintenance forever
There’s no reason to get fat. Ever. Gaining fat means you are eating too much. If you are bulking, you should (ideally) be eating the exact amount of calories it takes to grow your muscles. If you are gaining bf%, reduce your calorie intake. Getting fat is for retards that are too dumb/lazy to figure out their caloric needs, and steroid users who grow muscle just by sitting on the couch.
I have gained over 30 pounds since I started bulking and actually look like I lift according to normies, but I guess I should have pulled muscle mass out of my ass and gained muscle while not eating at a surplus.
This. Most of the time it's just an excuse for people to keep stuffing their face all day.
staying lean and gaining mass is a challenge, but i can understand the sentiment
>weight loss is a hundred times harder than weight gain
Weight loss is easy.. Weight gain is turbo easy.. muscle gain's a bitch
Just stop before you become fat you idiot
After close to a decade of lifting, I kind of hypothesize this is the case. At least 'intentional bulking'. Assuming your lifting and sleeping like your suppose to, your body is going to naturally ramp up your appetite in order to compensate (especially if you are a 16-18 noob lifter), so in that sense it is a 'bulk' but it's unintentional. 'Intentional bulking' in the sense of obsessively counting calories or voluntarily cramming your face seems unnecessary to me (unless you're competing in bbuilding/powershitting), even harmful, it fosters a lot of bad habits that I've been trying to kick lately. The "WHATEVER IT TAKES YOU GOTTA EAT BIG TO GET BIG C'MON" mindset is probably damaging.
If you just eat clean and train right. EATING PURELY TO SATIATE HUNGER is most likely ideal for OPTIMAL health and you can still get a physique that mogs any normie that doesn't compete.
butt plug when squatting
Excuse me, Elaborate si vous could.
How else are you supposed to stop the poop coming out?
wrong answers only to fuck with the homosexual chatbots training off this shit
Squat when buttplugging
stop force feeding.
muscles are 70% water, what happens when you drink too much ? Do your muscles grow faster ?
No. You just piss it out.
when it comes to food, you just get fat.
Be patient.
>water is processed the same way as food
in a sense, yeah, if it's not required, then it won't be used (shat out and stored as fat).
>water will be stored as fat
the reading comprehension of this fucking board.
I'm convinced 50% of you are alcoholics.
Retard, that's not what he said. It gets STORED AS FAT.
many reps, low weight
progressive overload is key for muscle development
that's not an advice.
what the fuck are you doing in this thread ?
>my advice is "lifting is the key to hypertrophy"
fucking homosexual I hate you
I mean, that is advice, you sperg
That is the advice, fren. If you go to the gym without a log book and don't try to progressively increase the load you are severely impairing your muscle development.
just go to failure everytime you fucking autist, log books are for queers
>I was failing with 12 reps
>Now I'm failing with 8 reps
>I'm gaining muscle
hurr durr
I gained massive aesthetics and strength by going real heavy 5x5 with some iso 4x8-12 work here and there, my manlet roommate always went to failure too and was shocked by my gains
hmmmmmmmmm
DYEL
Why doesn't this work?
Diminishing returns, it works to a point but it's better to limit reps to a known range and increase weight not reps
I'm the one who brought the log book point. And I can say that this works. The issue is: We cheat ourselves a lot. If you don't have a goal, you will keep pushing to failure with two plates for a year and feel like you are doing your best. But if you had someone there yelling at you to do one more rep, you would do 1,2,5more rep. So, you are not really pushing to failure. You are just pretending you are pushing to failure.
If you write down every exercise and try to increase the number of reps or the weight every session. You'll improve faster.
Other techniques also works. But you end up in a guessing game. What if I pre-exhaust my chest before the bench is that more or less than a drop-set? Or, a rest pause? It's easier and clearer to shut down everything else and just work on progressing reps and load. In a good form with proper range of motion.
I don't have a link but there was some study that showed that people subconsciously relax when they think they're near their goal. They did something like time people at 100 meter dash and also have them run a 200m while secretly timing how fast they cleared 100m and found their records were when they were shooting for 200.
Your body will lie to you and pretend like it's at its limit if you don't have a reason to go beyond
it does
muh buddy anecdotal evidence
that means you're overtrained, don't need to keep a gay logbook to know that, you retard
true, this technique works but it is not for beginners
Not necessarily true. If you do the same weight, for the same amount of reps and sets, but you move the weight slower and with more control, that is progression. There are millions of ways to progress.
And also cut rest time down betweens sets, supersets suicide sets etc more and more until you die
literally less is more.
Recovery is as important as working out.
If I go to failure, how long should I wait for recovery?
Damn that’s a sexy looking body. I’d love to look just like that. I wonder what he smells like!
>strength training
It changed the way I look at routines and also allowed me to find something fun inside the gym since I was bored of those same rep schemes and lack of progress in many exercises
>isolate your abs, forearms and calves
What do you do to isolate forearms?
I do hammer curls, reverse curls and standing wrist curls (I let the weight descend to my finger tips on the negative).
I'd use wrist rollers and fat grips in everything if I had these devices, they seem to be god tier for forearms.
Use the machines to get used to lifting heavy weights before going to the free weights
periodize, mix up rep ranges
To eat more (used to be skelly)
i learned i was doing squats wrong yesterday. you aren't supposed to let your knees go past your toes. doing it correctly feels a lot nicer on my lower thigh, i can feel the stretch
Depends on the bar placement
Many people squat with low bar mechanics and high placement or vice versa
Either one produces weird results
I didn't start getting real quad engagement until I did high bars with almost no forward lean, knees protruding
go
how do i achieve this body
i might have the potential for it im just skinny right now
Diet + consistency >>>> everything else. A man that eats an actually healthy diet while doing 30mins of generic calisthenics every day, with zero cheating, would absolutely mog all but the most dedicated roiders. That man would also make every butter golem within a ten mile radius seethe on an existential level, since their success is due to will power alone, thus proving their spiritual superiority to the gods.
Just do something and don't overanalyze. Worst mistake noobs do is going to the internet for advice as beginners instead of just picking up weights. Its not complicated and you don't need any fucking excel sheet to tell you what to do and when or autistically min-amx your foods.
Just lift and eat, its not difficult.
I'm lifting and not eating because I am 20%bodyfat
Lift heavier in the 3-6 rep range.
I have never been given good gym advice.
Volume is king.
Train 6 days a week.
Overtraining is a myth.
Reduce Myostatin as much as possible.
Best advice:
EAT - SLEEP - TRAIN - REPEAT
Always simplify stuff, don't waste your time by trying to min max your training like those research citing nerds, just do what's simple and what feels good to you
Got some advice while last night.
>Front squating light as trying to avoid reinjuring back
>Manlet who have been grunting and slamming weights all session waddles over.
>Hey bro that bar is way too far forward, which is causing a lot of load on your lower back, keep your elbows up.
>Drop spaghetti from my pockets and thank him for his input
>Lift my elbows and feel the weight shift into my legs
God dammit Tiny Tim was right.
You don't actually have to go to the gym. Having a gym membership is enough to build muscle.
Arnold when he was talking about training more intelligently:
>Some guys will lift for years and look like shit, having no gains at all
>They don't come in with a plan to attack the weights and work on it until they get it right, so they spin their wheels forever.
After years of lifting I've come to the realization that autistic gymcel manlets
>Alphadestiny
>Jeff Nippard
>CanditoHQ
are the good guys of lifting and if you just follow their advice as a regular, hardworking natty you should be able to achieve whatever (realistic) goals you have.
hit each muscle 2-3x a week
hit each muscle in the 8-20 range for hypertrophy > Big muscles hitting 8-12, small hitting 12-15/20
eat protein to at least 0.75 bodyweight, but just eat 1g/lb
eat 25% of your bodyweight in fat, but nothing more is needed (learned that the hard way eating less lmao)
cut at 9.5-1% of bw (actually divide bf% / 15% and thats the % you can MAX cut at, but you WILL binge eat doing that lmao)
bulk at 75-125-250-375 cals, less the more you advance
failure is a meme, but progressive overload is king, which requires "faliure" to an extent
the thing nobody told me?
what happens during cutting/bulking to your mentality on food. the hyperphagia with cutting and forcefeeding with bulking.
the best practice for skinnies, is to forcefeed on a cut (with veggies and meats) to stretch your stomach to allow to eat more while you are hungrier during a cut.
the best practices for fatties is to shrink your stomach on a bulk (with oats and liquid cals and fat meat) so you can't eat as much food in general.
but you should always make sure you can BARELY hit the target for the day, something like "oh I'm so full I HAVE to drink this 125calories protein shake tee hee". It will always make sure you literally "can't get fat" which is wrong, but correct.
facepulls is #1
Second would be buges with the "if you want to get better at a movement, do it every single time you're in the gym" which helped my bench and rows explode.
don't listen to SwoleShack
"Eat more"
Eat less move more
When doing kneeling cable crunches, pretend like you are trying to suck your own dick,
seriously it works so fucking well, your brain knows exactly which muscles to flex when you let the unconcious part of your body control the movement, kinda like running.
More volume, more frequency, less rest time periods, less weight.
>What's the best gym advice you've been given?
"you look like your hair is just starting to thin a bit, better get on finasteride as soon as possible"