What is the unique mechanism of retardation that leads retards to think all science is wrong?
What is the unique mechanism of retardation that leads retards to think all science is wrong?
What is the unique mechanism of retardation that leads retards to think all science is wrong?
retards thinking youtube videos are valid scientific evidence
Ask all of the anti-vax retards on this board. I blame our shitty educational system.
I'm not opposed to vaccines. I just don't take experimental therapies that are worthless and have potentially serious side effects.
Simple risk/reward. Sorry your education failed you but don't worry I saved this link for folkx in your position. >https://Pfizer.com/refunds
did the ketoschizo get vaxxed and all boosters. it must be the 6th one by now
>anti-vax
why arent there any elderly autistic people? Have you ever seen one, anywhere?
>so I've been clogging my heart with cholesterol and saturated fat
>the things that literally all doctors in every single country say clogs your heart
>why do I have heart disease???
It seems there is a particular psychosis attributable to ketolards and carnischizos.
99% of doctors are retarded midwits who blindly follow the FDA's guidelines and are incapable of understanding the statistics in any medical study.
>understanding the statistics in any medical study.
And Chris Knobbe is?
doesnt take an understanding of statistics to realize industrial sludge isnt a health food
he is right. most of academia doesn't have good math skills. so they aren't doing norm, mean, bell curve probabilities.
they just count and compare
lmao have you even read any recent studies. all studies will utilise a mean in their very first table outlining the baseline demographics of participants. most studies utilise parametric tests involving standard distributions (bell curve mayte). I think you're talking out of your ass
To be fair if a doctor goes against the guidelines/protocols and they get a bad outcome they can lose their job and potentially go to prison.
the people writing nutrition guidelines at least in the US but probably elsewhere are incredibly conflicted by processed food and pharmaceutical companies
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/public-health-nutrition/article/corporate-capture-of-the-nutrition-profession-in-the-usa-the-case-of-the-academy-of-nutrition-and-dietetics/9FCF66087DFD5661DF1AF2AD54DA0DF9
based. fuck (doctors). remember when they agreed with all the scamflu bs. but then said the orc riots were ok and not a (mass spreader event).
oh my science!
> fuck doctors
First one crying to a doctor when he gets cancer or breaks a bone.
not him but man what a yawn-incuding cliche
What doctors said the blm riots were okay for public health?
Was it your local GP? The best heart surgeon in your city? Or was it some "doctor" whose job is just to write articles?
Imagine being a highschool drop-out who gets their news from Facebook and 4chan and still convince yourself that you're smarter than a doctor.
>m-muh appeal to authority
by doctor you mean, glorified search engine whose a pharma pill pusher. kys allopathic slave.
I’ve never in my life had a doctor I didn’t think was a fucking quack. They’re pill pushers and are incapable of understanding how to address issues.
>incapable of understanding how to address issues
And giving yourself heart disease and bowel cancer is?
You're a walking darwin award.
I’m not even keto you fucking retard what are you going on about?
imagine spamming buzzwords you can't define.
it's like your missing a part of your brain and are just barking like a dog
Who the fuck still uses facebook, grandpa?
All my real homies hate doctors
Yeah. Maybe that guy's widowmaker artery was only 90% blocked from being keto. Stupid doctors.
you have no idea if it has anything to do with diet. many things can damage arteries
>99% of doctors are retarded midwits
Said the guy on IST
define the buzzwords you just used. if you can't; then you sound like a crazy homeless guy ranting about moon men
That tweet is from late 2021. There sure were a lot of strokes around that time compared to prior years. Hmmmm...
For the record, lifting 5 times a week + cardio is terrible for health.
What do you suggest instead?
Cutting cardio or just cutting days altogether?
I do all these things and take dexedrine, caffeine and nicotine and drink low dose dextrose solution and have cholesterol over 300mg/dL my heart and arteries are fine. Ignore the cholesterol bad people. I always had high cholesterol becauss high cholesterol reflects intelligence and one study shows this. It doesn't clog the arteriers and dietary intake has limited effect on cholesterol. Switching to metal mesh rather than paper filtered coffee elevates cholesterol more than anything in dirt. This guy had cardiovascular damage from the vaccine or covid 19. Best diet is meat and simple carbs. Complex carbs are bad for you.
Is this bait?
Mate you're fucked
He's not baiting. He is merely much smarter and healthier than a lemming such as yourself.
Did she ever have the covid vax?
He knew he had a very unique predisposition to hypercholesterolemia and ignored high ApoB while cheating on his diet all the time
VAXXED.com
>it can't be the experimental DNA treatment I received it must be the red meat?!
I'm not a diettard but how do you explain all the peoples around the world who lived and thrived on carnivore+dairy diets? shit mongols even mixed mare's blood with milk and drank it. I think humans are extremely adaptable and we can live on almost anything.
Xe can't explain it because xe hasn't been instructed what to think yet. Maybe the next NPC firmware update will implant an opinion in xir's mind
>Mongolians were on modern schizo diet
Patently false. Mongolians foraged for tubers and traded and looted for grains, both of which were quite important in their diet. They also never just swallowed blocks of butter for a snack and were intelligent enough not to listen to Joe Rogan. The advantage people point at mostly comes from Mongolians having access at all to fresh meat and dairy on a regular basis, unlike Chinese peasants.
t. Mongolian studies major
okay gay what about the innuit
Fuck if I know, I majored in Mongolian Studies, so that's all I'll comment on.
>all the peoples around the world who lived and thrived on carnivore+dairy diets?
40% of the diet came from pemmican, half berries by weight. They also foraged for berries. Berries have potent antioxidants that protect against heart disease and provided much-needed fiber.
Inuits still died at 45 on average with severe atherosclerosis. Clearly, they were all vaccinated.
43.5*.
Not even accounting for infant mortality rates which WERE included in Western death statistics. Piss poor compared to grain eaters.
is that the waiter from it's always sunny?
The science is settled and has been for some time
>The science is settled !
>Clearly there is only two options in this world : Eat an incomplete diet or eat another incomplete diet !
>There is no way in hell you could eat both yucky veggies, rice/bread/pasta and le epic meat at the same time !
>No I refuse to eat bread and rice, it has only been the staple of alimentation of 99% of the world for millennia, but it has carbs and carbs make you fat !
>Brb guys my lbs of bacon in butter is ready
This is your brain on Americanism, only black or white, you can choose either but they're never gonna be right.
>Brb guys my lbs of bacon in butter is ready
The worst part is this isn't exaggeration. They ACTUALLY do this
headline gave me a half chub
>die because of a veg based meme diet
>universally ridiculed, hailed as the retard of our times
>die because of a meat based meme diet
>hundreds of ackchually! heard faintly in the distance
Raw food is retarded, whether it's just vegetables or just meat. I think we all know this by now.
Idk ask vegans
What sort of mental defect makes you seek out morbidly obese gurus for weight loss?
It's perplexing.
I used to believe that all the anti-science rhetoric was simply anons memeing, but after starting to have conversations with people in real life (mostly conservatives) it seems like we're heading towards idiocracy. There is an epidemic of misinformation and distrust in this country.
>vaccines are perfectly safe and 100% effective
>masks will protect you
>lock down to slow the spread
conservatives did not propagate these falsehoods you garden gnome
This isnt probably what anon meant, but since covid there has been a massive shift in both directions of 'trust the science' or 'the science is bunk'.
Because of the push of all the pro-vaxx nonsense in the media, science is now infallible among those who fell for it. Likewise, among those who were able to recognize that all the pro-vaxx and covid information was nonsense, they now believe all science is wrong.
What anon may mean in regards to 'conservatives' is this newly developed distrust of all science. Can often see it on IST, for example,
>scientists say that excessive sun exposure causes skin cancer and to use suncreen to prevent it , well those same scientists also said the vaxx was safe and effective!
Never mind that they werent the same scientists and that they are two entirely different fields of study.
Regardless, the true idiots are the ones who were psyopped into thinking all science is infallible because of the mindfucking they received during covid.
the sun exposure melanoma link is even questionable. thats what science should be asking questions and tesing those ideas. not just believing authority
Most of the 'conservatives' you mention are rural morons firmly situation at the lower end of the bell curve, only they think they're at high end of the bell curve, because they correctly deduced through intuition that they should avoid the vaxx.
Unfortunately, intuition doesn't count for everything. The inherent mistrust for them city slickin' libtards has limits in it's utility. Now they are actively committing suicide by adopting a reactive stance to literally any scientific consensus, as we see by certain trends on 4chan filtering down, such as:
>viruses aren't real
>cholesterol is a myth
>SNEED OILS
>germs are harmless (a complete misinterpretation of terrain theory)
>reeeee walkable cities
>reeeee universal healthcare
>reeeeee caring about the environment
It doesn't really matter the merits of the opposition. They behave like sports fans and see everyone they don't explicitly identify with as "the enemy". It's primitive tribalism.
It’s ironic that you just did that thing you blame them for doing. Peak midwit behavior.
_Actually_ ironic, you just did the thing he described. You simply didn't like his analysis because you're one of the idiots he's talking about. If you're still regularly visiting 4chan in 2023 you're a fucking moron. The average IQ there is unironically in the low 90s or so and actual schizotypal (not le meme epic shizo meme) traits are worryingly common.
By the way, before you call me a commie or garden gnome or whatever, I reject the Talmud. Total moron death. Helicopter rides for all commumorons.
I just frequent pol to shit on ziggers, chinks and poojeets
I also refused to get a single jabby and eat the occasional Sneed oil
Yes I am 200iq
post your hook nose
>as we see by certain trends on 4chan filtering down
/pol/tards are a genuine cancer
Half of the planet got the jab. There's no issues for ~3 billion people. No one was particularly correct about the jab. You're 0.00001% risk of a bad reaction doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of human health outcomes.
>not taking the vaxx because you actually believed they were going to murder billions of people
This is what I'm talking about. Reactionary stupidity,
Instead, intelligent people didn't take it because they saw it contains RF-microchips and graphene oxide, explicitly to track their biometrics, plug them into the "internet of things", and hopefully cause them to die quicker because muh overpopulation.
But that doesn't easily translate and your species can't dismiss the fact that you're loaded with nanotech now.
Please take your meds.
Nice. What's your bluetooth number?
you're overdue for a lobotomy
seriously, fucking microchips in vaccines? if you want to get vaxx-skeptic you could at least say something about health risks and not reveal to this entire thread that you're a complete retard.
post your hook nose
Please also tell me how satellites are fake and the earth is flat.
The ability to make a functioning chip that does anything that small would make you a trillionaire. They don't exist.
meds.
There is no point arguing with indoctrinated cattle. We will see whether you or Deagle intelligence's malthusian prediction is wrong or right in 2030.
Pureblood Chads just can't stop winning
get life insurance stats. deaths for all age brackets jumped up after the mass injections. ( doctors) will never say it's related to the injections. but our lord and savior, muh Science show this is the case
>All cause mortality is up after a global pandemic
No shit retard.
Cite your sources then.
Fauchi had some speech where he mentioned it, I donno I only saw it in passing.
didnt the US admit something like 1 in 800 people were facing adverse effects? Normally vaccines get pulled for as little as 1 in 20.000
sneed oils are indeed cancerous and fattening. they oxidize. pufa increase insulin sensitivity of fat cells. pufa deplete antioxidants. pufas are vulnerable to uv. dietary science was all fine until that "healthy" fats shit happened. they got it right when they discovered that fat makes you fat and diseased. pufa is more obesity and cancer but probably less heart attacks and diabeetus than from sat fat... still eat lean to live lean. eat fats if you wantbto die ramcid and greasy.
>This isnt probably what anon meant, but since covid there has been a massive shift in both directions of 'trust the science' or 'the science is bunk
That's generally what happens when people encounter evidence contrary to their beliefs.
for most people beliefs = reality. so if you believed in the garden gnome establishment; then you see them saying things demonstrably wrong during scamflu; you have two reactions.
one accept what you experienced was true and adjust your idea of reality. in this case, not believing the garden gnome establishment.
or you reject what you experienced, and become more fanatic in your beliefs. this is what libtards did. they act like all the bullshit, lies, deception and contradictions of scamflu never happened. they were mentally abused, but they defend their abuser. because like a battered women they want to believe the garden gnome establishment REALLY luvs them. tee hee
>the other team got vaccinated
>they also eat vegetables and support the environment
>therefore, vegetables are antinootrient filled poison and fuck nature
>something something I hate the Antichrist
The stupidity is actually unironically unparalleled in history.
>and support the environment
Define "support the environment".
And you schizos think there was a gnomish agenda to mass vax everyone to death. Theres schizo retards on both sides and they all got buck broken by the coof.
>he doesn't think there is a population collapse among civilized people
lol
>well, okay, chud, they lied about the vax but literally nothing else, ever
Our gnomish government and media machine is nothing but lies. American food has shit in it or has stuff done to it that is flat out illegal in other countries because they know it's massively unhealthy if not actually poisonous
And that's just the tip of the goldberg
and the boogieman that lives in libtards heads also didn't say the orc riots were safe.
but you can't visit relatives or celebrate Christian holidays. funny how objective and fact based our lord and savior, muh Science is
Did't Trump brag about the vaccine non-stop?
>simply anons memeing
It still is. IST have always been about bullshitting each other into doing stupid shit for the lulz. You're just seeing the logical conclusion to posting microwave brownie recipes that explode on a global scale, and it's absolutely hilarious.
>an epidemic of misinformation and distrust
Maintaining the public's Trust is firmly the responsibility of the institutions that hold themselves out as the stewards of learning. Acting entitled to that Trust and blaming anyone other than themselves when it is lost is simply further proof that they're not worthy of that mandate.
>Nutritional scientists and doctors agree that sugar intake should be limited to combat various health conditions
>Fat redditor: REEEEEEEEE ME WANT CANDY!
You must be a ketolard indicated by your brain damage. Are you capable of addressing the points or are you just going to spam unrelated content?
>nannystate comments by vegans everybody must do as i do
carnivores arent interested in forcing others you nutjob. god forbid his kids or wife has a slice of cake
>carnivores arent interested in forcing others you nutjob
*breathe in*
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
meat taxes are being proposed seriously and enacted in some places. never heard of a vegetable tax
use your brain for a minute and you might be able to figure that one out
What points? Eat a balanced diet which includes meat and limit your exposure to agrochemical poison as much as possible. Scientists will tell you that glyphosate is not dangerous, so why not drink a gallon and prove them right?
I haven't been reading the thread up to this point, but I just wanted to point out that man giving diet advice is a fat moron.
>I just wanted to point out that man giving diet advice is a fat moron.
lmao. i was thinking of mocking how an infinite fat orc is being treated like a respectable member if society.
he is called a ( doctor), but i bet most of fit is better at school than him.
better hairline too. lol zug zug
>Scientists will tell you that glyphosate is not dangerous, so why not drink a gallon and prove them right?
based. i love IST. the garden gnomes can't gain a foothold on this board
>glyphosate is not dangerous
Lots of studies have been done that show Glyphosate indirectly damages your intestinal lining.
It's very interesting that you took my point on glyphosate from yesterday, where I explicitly stated grains aren't evil and the problem is roundup.
I can clearly tell you apart by your syntax. And this reveals to me you're debating quitting your diet because you want to eat carbs.
Cite one.
Then why do vegans live longer and dont get colon cancer at the same rate as meat eaters?
How about you eat 1 pound of salt. You need it to stay alive so clearly 1 pound is fine.
>vegans are starving to death
>vegans are fat
Make up your mind, schizo.
>glyphosate
is this shit included in oats aswell?
>reee, you must debate under my terms with me as judge for me to winnnnn!
why don't you explain what you think keto means first. that term lives rent free in your head so tell us about it
what kind of retard saves this image ?
dudes got a family whos not carnivore, the point in the image is pure projection
I pray that these gluttons see the error of their ways and turn towards salvation.
>consuming too much of a substance can negatively impact your health
Wow much wisdom sirs
but that was only 4 scoops.
Does it concern you nobody asked? Nobody makes carnvore vegan keto threads besides you.
Personally as a scientist I can attest that half of science is fraud and the other half is praying to god you don't get exposed as a fraud
i work at a university and can confirm. most don't get a research budget and are given the title ( lecturer). you can't do any good research with no budget and the school treats you like a lesser high school teacher.
those that get research budgets are those that lick gnomish boots
Because most science IS wrong. Poorly done studies that cant be replicated, there is thousands upon thousands of them, across all 'branches' of science.
But the actual issue is science being treated as some sort of higher institution, like how the Church is viewed. Among the masses science is now an entity above all intelligence. So if 'it' is right with one thing, then it is right with everything and can never be wrong. If 'it' is wrong with one thing, then it is wrong with everything and can never be right.
>the actual issue is science being treated as some sort of higher institution
I don't disagree. But I think it's a little psychotic to look at endless studies showing cholesterol from foods depositing in arteries, and watch countless people drop dead specifically from eating cholesterol-rich foods, and pretend it's not happening because bacon tastes good.
So you've actually looked at endless studies showing cholesterol from foods depositing in arteries? Could you post a link to literally a single one of them.
our lord and savior, MUH SCIENCE; doesn't answer questions. He gives them, and you answer.
lol. but seriously they can't provide answers. That's why they just want to preach to the congregation
>But the actual issue is science being treated as some sort of higher institution, like how the Church is viewed. Among the masses science is now an entity above all intelligence
oh my science! you are a heretic to the clown cult. i bet you worship our devil; hitler in his human name
Post more brutal vaxx deaths
contrarianism is a mental illness
post your hook nose
Give it to me straight bros, how many of you who made it eat however many carbs you want? Especially grains and pastas?
I'm 5 days deep into carnivore and I feel like utter shit. No, like I feel like I'm composed of literal shit, I haven't taken a good dump since the day before I started. It's been diarrhea everyday and no solids at all. I feel like I'm clogging myself up. Should I quit? Is this keto flu? I did a blood test on the 4th day and got the results back. My shit was pretty fucked up, creatinine and bilirubin through the roof. How many of you fuckers did this diet before and lived to tell the tale?
Posts like this are exactly why I keep shitting all over ketolards.
It's because I know there's always going to be a subset of autists who destroy themselves by following the latest meme they heard.
>you need carbs
>you need fiber
>digestive issues are not solved with meme diets, they're solved with gastroenterologists, bloodwork, and organic acid tests
Fix the root cause. Don't just jump in with the nearest grifter offering miracle cures.
but you haven't shit over anything.
your a mentally ill retard and we all laugh at you.
you never make a point.
you can't even define the buzzwords you use
If I didn't bother you, you wouldn't impulsively give me dozens of (you)'s every single day.
>you i gots da updoots
>i dun be da starr of fagschord
lol. you don't talk to people in real life much if you crave this kind of attention
Too be fair 90% of digestive issues are fixed by diet. Normies don't need to pay a shit load of money into the medical system to find out they should stop eating McSlop 10x a week. That knowledge is free and readily available.
>90% of digestive issues are fixed by diet.
Band-aided, you mean.
Most times it's a bacterial infection or some sort. So they restrict foods that feed the bacteria or something, their symptoms improve, then they proselytize to everyone about their revelations.
Then they'll eat a carb, or a FODMAP, or what the fuck ever later and come clean to their peers about their many sins when their issues resurface.
Fixing your diet or dying will be the ultimate outcome regardless of how many test your doctor bills to your insurance.
>Fixing your diet or dying will be the ultimate outcome
Incorrect. You won't fix anything. You mask the illness and eliminate symptoms.
Food allergies are usually caused by pathogens which are fixed by specific antibiotics tailored to address the particular strain of bacteria producing the reactions.
Of course your dipshit GP isn't going to know anything about this. That's why I mentioned gastroenterologists. It may shock you to know that there are people who are trained in addressing these issues but they need to be sought out before they can aid you.
And no, eating only meat. Or going vegan. Or dipping your balls in hot wax doesn't resolve the issue.
Take your meds.
Go see a doctor and get help. Your digestive issues aren't from "carbs". If they were from "carbs" everyone in this country would need to be on keto to fix their mental and physical health issues.
Are you capable of simple deductive reasoning?
I never said anything about carbs or that I have any digestive issues. You're brain has been buck broken by the ketoschizos.
>change diet
>symptoms improve
>this isn't a valid fix you have to go to the doctor
>also doctors are retarded
Thank you big pharma very helpful.
>I did a blood test on the 4th day
If you get blood tests 4 days into a diet you're dumb
cutting carbs out of your diet is retarded. you literally need this for energy.
worse is that 99% of ketolards aren't even going on actual keto. look up medically perscribed keto diet plans, you need a ridiculous amount of fat to put your body into ketosis. heavy whipping cream with every meal, it's brutal.
60-70% fat isn't particularly hard to hit and there are absolutely no essential dietary carbohydrates. There are only essential amino acids and fatty acids.
no. spamming a buzzword you can't define is retarded
I did it about a year and quit. it's a meme. worst bowel movements of my life. I'm talking straight sludge coming out of my ass. stick to my cheeks like tar.
once I added milk back in I felt so much better, and eventually just went back to clean eating omnivore. meat and potatoes is not just a meme from your grand parents.
>Is this keto flu?
yes
try eating more times a day in less quantities per meal
avoid coffee if you can
take easy with fat
one more week and you will be free from symptoms
carbs craving will go rampage for a month tho
i knew a guy who had to get impacted feces surgically removed from his colon doing full ketard / tardivore
>impacted feces surgically removed from his colon doing full ketard / tardivore
Obviously the vaxx shut down his intestines. If he were healthy he would've fully absorbed the meat just like the rest of the carnivores.
is the ketoschizo back?
is he still spamming pics and buzzwords but he can't define any of the buzzwords he uses
By generally being a failure in life, because when you are overtaken in life by people who make more money than you are, are more successful than you, have more relationships than you, then you adopt alternative fringe ideas to feel like you are better than them. Good example of this mentality, which is the chud mentality, is Luke Smith.
>he uses a VHS slur
>thinks he is successful or serious
LMAO. the ketoschizo is a lolcow. tell kiwi forums
I will never forgive this cunt for what he did to my Not Forgotten and D2 as a whole
verification not required
I've been vegan for nearly three years now just so you know. In her video she explains how the doctors told her she has a birth defect in her heart that caused the stroke. Good clickb8 though.
>she explains how the doctors told her she has a birth defect in her heart that caused the stroke
She also claimed it was because she had to sit on a plane that she had it. Odds of 7 million-to 1
You'll quit
Probably soon tbh but veganism helped me with some chronic health problems. It's not all junk science and propaganda.
How much of that do you attribute to eating plant based versus simply removing processed/trash foods in general? Genuinely curious. I know honest nutrition studies try to account for that confounder. But how do you feel?
It comes down to macros, basically. By calories, 35% protein, 45% carbs, 30% fats. Eat mostly like a regular person, slam a protein shake a couple times a day, and you'll be good.
Notice how this shit Moxyte thread is still up for some reason and the only correct response in this entire thread is completely ignored. Fuck this gay site. I hope OP chokes to death on his tofu.
but thats the most retarded response of them all
>What is the unique mechanism of retardation that leads retards to think all science is wrong
The fact that science has been sequestered by the elites that in a very unscientific way produce information claiming it's science just to fool people into submission.
>science has been sequestered
The results of eating salads are easily verifiable and abundantly obvious in the real world.
The fact that hundreds of thousands of studies prove that vegetables and fruit is good for you is icing on the cake.
OH MY SCIENCE! is there a heretic among us?
I eat cheese stuffed bacon and also salad. What about you? Post body.
>Replication crisis
I bet this is especially bad for nutrition and exercise science just like psychology. Still
>70%, or 87% of chemists, 77% of biologists, 69% of physicists and engineers, 67% of medical researchers, 64% of earth and environmental scientists, and 62% of all others, have failed to reproduce literature results
When I look with my eyes, I can see ketolards are morbidly obese or abusing steroids. I can see with my very eyeballs that they lost their medical licenses ages ago, or never were real doctors.
I can see people who eat fruits and vegetables thriving. I can see people adopting carnivore diets dropping dead at young ages.
And I don't need a scientist to tell me that.
Wow a balanced diet is the best diet? Yes meat is good but so are veggies and fruits.
lol guess again ketoschizo. do you have anymore buzzwords which you can define?
>What is the unique mechanism of retardation that leads retards to think all science is wrong?
Anonymously regurgitating 4chan talking points is exactly the same as having an actual reasonable argument based on independent original research that you're capable of defending at the point of death.
>le heckin galileo!
You do realize the Church had no problems with the Heliocentric model, right? You do know that the Church's issue was with Galileo's decision to include astrology in his models? That the Church wanted him to remove the astrology from his work and he refused, which is why they punished him, right?
You believe in astrology? You're such a Cancer
Nooo heckin Catholics are pagan mary worshippers and are everything wrong with the world!
you forgot to accuse my posts in your NPC mass response
>What is the unique mechanism of retardation that leads retards to think all science is wrong?
science itself
>all human ancestors died of clogged arteries and strokes
Lol
What is the unique mechanism of retardation that leads vegans to post strawman arguments about on IST all day?
>What is the unique mechanism of retardation that leads vegans to post strawman arguments about on IST all day?
the fanatic belief in muh science
Big pharma and other monopolies pushing sketchy studies and doing morally questionable or straight up criminal actions for decades kind of undermined everything
>Big pharma and other monopolies pushing sketchy studies and doing morally questionable or straight up criminal actions for decades kind of undermined everything
have you heard about the studies of the so called (sleeping room).
some (doctor) connected to the cia, tortured patients in mental hospitals to change their personalities.
praise muh science
I mean, I understand that morals and ethics stop certain advancements on medicine, but doing it out of pure greed for money and or power is fucked up
>100 posts
>34 posters
Rangeban ketoschizo already
Kek pretending 60 of those comments aren’t from Moxyte. You can tell it’s him by the faggy way he types and how active he is on Reddit at that moment.
oh no
>ketoschizo has now spent his ENTIRE evening on a IST fit thread arguing with moxyte
Can we PLEASE rangeban these fucking retards? every day my board is shitted up by these gigantic fucking morons
>these morons
It's the bootlickers that are posting bait threads 24/7, retard.
who is moxyte? is that the doxxed ketoschizo or someone else.
also they aren't really arguing or debating. that is beyond their intellectual capacity.
Moxyte is a boogey man
Anyone who laughs at the ketoschizo ends up being called moxyte
This thread is sponsored by Adventist Church.
Follow the protocol to demoralize and discourage every non bot posters.
Anyway,
The stroke was caused by a blood clot that happened during a plane trip without pressure socks and many hours without moving.
She recovered Completely within a few days and thinks the quick recovery was due to the carnivore diet.
The guy from "No Carb Life" channel suffered a stroke when he was 17 and had several after-effects for decades, within one year on carnivore diet he recovered to the point where he can use stairs normally without help.
There is a new policy that will be implemented soon on Youtube that will censor all those anecdotes and diet tips from doctors that do not follow the world health organization policy, which means that you will not be able to look for alternatives to the treatment that the government imposes.
The current Keto video that appears when searching for it is full os Misinformation about it, clearly misleading the public to think that State of Ketosis is the same as Ketoacidosis.
If you don't search for a specific channel name slash carnivore or keto, you won't be able to find anything besides what the government suggest.
Vegans won't be affected.
Its not possible to fight against this due the extreme power and corruption involving politics, food industry, pharmaceutic industry, China's Neo Maoism and Adventist Church.
The people controlling this hate humans and are narcissists, psychopaths and machiavellics.
Vegans (aka mental ill people) trying to "not kill animals" are unaware or hypocrites because it's clear that their beloved vegan industries uses the garbage from the crops to feed confined cows to profit from it.
There are also policies that attempt to prohibit the slaughter of livestock, policies trying to hide big industries environment fuck up and prohibit land ownership.
It's all fucked.
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post your hook nose
point out what is being sold there
>without pressure socks and many hours without moving.
People usually don't get a stroke from sitting down unless they are obese, smokers, or unhealthy.
Yes all ~~*science*~~ is wrong.
Why did he lose his hair?
The truth 90% of people have on here aren’t ready for is he clearly used test and possibly other compounds as well. His hairline was already pretty far back; two more years plus test signaled the death knell
When will Baker also lose his hair?
>When will Baker also lose his hair?
He wears a cap all the time for a reason
bro
the little bush is still the same shit on his head to this day
you promised it would be gone soon
I dont even watch this guy I didnt promise anything
So you admit you were just making things up and lying?
I didnt make a true or false statement
You made a false implication. I can also tell by the way you're trying to weasel out of it on stupid technicalities and ignoring what any reasonable person would take from your erroneous statement that you are gnomish
I made an observation. Stop trying to start conflict.
>makes an accusation
>admits that it said accusation is 100% unfounded
>gets called out for making shit up
>"I didn't make anything up! I merely asserted a claim that was 100% a lie because I never bothered to look into it before accusing!"
>"you can't call me a liar because I was making accusations out of ignorance!"
Woman moment
he always had shit hair and decided to cut it all
he only did it after going carnivore because he could think better and take more assertive decisions
generally if you aren't obese, you won't lose hair
and if you are obese you will lose hair until you get your optimal weight, because the body will use all resources to get rid of the inflammation, then it grows back
There’s lots of retards and trolling here but ops post and pic related do represent a fundamental problem that very few people transcend. A LOT of fitness “science” is bullshit. It’s just fucking bullshit, there’s absolutely no way around that. But the counter scientists are selling their own brand of bullshit which is why we get retarded fads like keto. If you eat butter covered hamburgers all day you’ll probably have health problems. Ketotards can rant all day about how it’s never proven that dietary cholesterol raises blood cholesterol or akshually saturated fat is good for you but at the end of the day people who eat like that have heart attacks and strokes more often than not. But then you have the “scientists” giving us pic related unironically saying frosted mini wheats are one of the healthiest things you can eat. Science is not some unaffiliated monolith- it’s the product of flawed people who usually have an agenda. The problem is that whatever is offered to fill the vacuum created by the realization that the “science” on an issue is flawed typically ends up being even more retarded. Thanks for coming to my Ted talk.
What's wrong with frosted mini wheats?
>cheerios over an egg
thats insane
The reason is simple:
>America is the great Satan
both sides are filled with masonic cocksuckers and their Judeo-Bolshevik masters muddying the water and profiting off of misery. They deceive and tell half-truths to reel people in then take advantage of their desperation to profit like the parasites they are.
America is a fundamentally mercantile nation. Or it was, rather. It's now little more than a economic zone of loosely-associated Masonic republics united only in their hatred of God and the natural order.
I think its the neo maoism the chinese are using to destroy the west
they are literally killing each one of the ten commandments as the time goes by and destroying america with this
our only chance is to keep up with the truth and resist their attacks
>destroying america with this
No, it's not that.
America is fundamentally evil. The only reason it could ever pretend to be anything different is because it was once populated by devout Christians.
The ruling class has always been Freemasons. It was founded under Enlightenment ideals as a rebellion against God and has fulfilled it's task beautifully. It was founded upon the lie that all men are created equal. Soon it did away with the new Aristocracy (land owning men), then freed it's slaves, then made women equal, then destroyed medicine, polluted the land beyond repair, created the Sexual Revolution, foistered globalism, and invaded the world with these cancerous ideas that have destroyed everything we hold dear.
It is a common deception to believe America was "once good" because it "fought" against Communism. When in truth, Communism is created as the Yin to the American Yang. It fooled people into thinking that the choice was solely between American Oligarchism or Bolshevism. Yet both are controlled by the same group of Luciferians. Every pretense of America since it's inception has been a lie, and the crowning lie is the idea that Americans are free.
>America: I am evil. guess I'll kms.
???
ok
post country, I want to see what a non-Masonic/Luciferian state looks like
everything i eat is in red, am i gonna die bros?
Follow the exact opposite of this chart for good health
COVID is basically Science™'s Gamergate
there's a replication crisis, most studies cant actually be replicated. "science" as its presented is unironically unreliable right now.
Because science is hard facts only.
You convinced me anti carnivore shills, I'm gonna try that diet for a month.
dont cold turkey
eat leafy greens with all the meat for a month and go full meat in the second month senpai
I am already used to OMAD. Do i really need to do a month of keto to prep?
What's your health concerns?
I mean, if you don't mind the first two weeks of hell then go ahead and cold turkey it
It's just that many people who aren't fucking dying give up after the first two weeks
I don't recommend OMAD when starting it
Prime is the best way to go
>3 meals a day
>eat till comfortably stuffed
>50/50 far protein
It's all suggestions
You do you, anon
OMAD will destroy your gallbladder, at a minimum. You will remember this post right before surgery.
Enjoy hell
>be french
>eat tons of saturated fat and smoke cigs
>don't get heart disease
what gives?
saturated fat isnt bad. or red wine magically protects your arteries. your pick
>red wine magically
Let me stop you right there. There are plenty of foods that protect against heart disease. Vegetables being one of them. The French eat 4x as many vegetables per capita than Americans.
It may come as a shock, but different foods have different properties. Fruits and veggies have antioxidants that protect against disease. Eating lots of vegetables rich in Vitamin C counters inflammation caused by cholesterol. This isn't "magic". It's basic biochemistry. Whenever people start throwing around words like that to infantilize others, it's a major red flag that you're being disingenuous.
>There are plenty of foods that protect against heart disease. Vegetables being one of them
no evidence for this
>The French eat 4x as many vegetables per capita than Americans.
doubt
>Eating lots of vegetables rich in Vitamin C counters inflammation caused by cholesterol
it doesnt and cholesterol isnt inherently inflammatory
>no evidence that vegetables protect heart health
many, many studies
>a study by infamous keto shill Tim Noakes
>doesn't even discuss the control group
>still concludes: "Trends toward greater reductions in CHD risk were observed in those with lower intakes of saturated fat or trans fat or higher intakes of vegetables/fruits."
Post picture of clown outfit ketoschizo.
there are no studies. noakes had nothing to do with paper you schizo. non significant "trends" there was no difference
>Barbara V Howard 1 , Linda Van Horn, Judith Hsia, JoAnn E Manson, Marcia L Stefanick, Sylvia Wassertheil-Smoller, Lewis H Kuller, Andrea Z LaCroix, Robert D Langer, Norman L Lasser, Cora E Lewis, Marian C Limacher, Karen L Margolis, W Jerry Mysiw, Judith K Ockene, Linda M Parker, Michael G Perri, Lawrence Phillips, Ross L Prentice, John Robbins, Jacques E Rossouw, Gloria E Sarto, Irwin J Schatz, Linda G Snetselaar, Victor J Stevens, Lesley F Tinker, Maurizio Trevisan, Mara Z Vitolins, Garnet L Anderson, Annlouise R Assaf, Tamsen Bassford, Shirley A A Beresford, Henry R Black, Robert L Brunner, Robert G Brzyski, Bette Caan, Rowan T Chlebowski, Margery Gass, Iris Granek, Philip Greenland, Jennifer Hays, David Heber, Gerardo Heiss, Susan L Hendrix, F Allan Hubbell, Karen C Johnson, Jane Morley Kotchen
https://openheart.bmj.com/content/openhrt/8/2/e001680.full.pdf
>Vegetables being one of them
disproven by the most expensive nutrition intervention that has ever and will ever be conducted. you just repeat it because youre retarded
>Over a mean of 8.1 years, a dietary intervention that reduced total fat intake and increased intakes of vegetables, fruits, and grains did not significantly reduce the risk of CHD, stroke, or CVD
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16467234/
>but but STUDIIIIIIIIIEEEEES
>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16467234/
>Over a mean of 8.1 years, a dietary intervention that reduced total fat intake and increased intakes of vegetables, fruits, and grains did not significantly reduce the risk of CHD, stroke, or CVD in postmenopausal women and achieved only modest effects on CVD risk factors, suggesting that more focused diet and lifestyle interventions may be needed to improve risk factors and reduce CVD risk.
Only a zero-added-fat diet reverses heart disease, obviously. Looks like they barely reduced the fat in the diet at all.
fat reduction made no difference. there will never be a larger study
>reduce fat by a few grams
>look guys only an 8% reduction in heart disease, not even significant!
Classic industry study. Use shitty parameters to manipulate results and give misleading headlines.
Meanwhile, TRUTH, hated by all servants of the Antichrist:
Reversing heart disease on a plant-based whole foods diet:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2100124/
https://ijdrp.org/index.php/ijdrp/article/view/41?ck_subscriber_id=141115044
http://www.dresselstyn.com/Esselstyn_Three-case-reports_Exp-Clin-Cardiol-July-2014.pdf
http://www.dresselstyn.com/Esselstyn_Caldwell_Article.pdf
www.dresselstyn.com/site/study01/
http://www.dresselstyn.com/site/study02/
www.dresselstyn.com/site/study03/
http://www.dresselstyn.com/site/study07/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5466936/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1849886/'
https://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2014nl/dec/saturatedfat.htm
https://www.drmcdougall.com/articles/common-health-problems/heart-disease-treatment/
https://www.jacc.org/doi/full/10.1016/j.jacc.2016.10.086
http://www.dresselstyn.com/site/news-and-information/
"Dr. Esselstyn attributes the success of his 12-year trial to substantially lower mean levels of both total cholesterol (145 mg/dl) and LDL (82 mg/dl), low-density lipoproteins or so-called “bad cholesterol.” To achieve these levels, the 18 patients in Dr. Esselstyn’s study consumed less than 10 percent of their daily calories from fat–a percentage common in countries where heart disease is virtually nonexistent–and took cholesterol-lowering medications.
“In this study, patients become virtually heart-attack proof,” says Caldwell B. Esselstyn, Jr., M.D., which is remarkable since these same patients had 48 cardiac events among them in the eight years prior to joining the study. Over more than a decade of Dr. Esselstyn’s ongoing trial, only one patient, who was noncompliant, experienced a cardiac event."
Just to clarify, science is not right or wrong
Science is a TOOL used to test the very fabric of reality and help us to comprehend the truth.
A tool can be used to harm or to heal, it depends on its user.
So when you are told something and it seems different from your perception you can falsify it using the scientific method.
If you are told that scientifically veganism is great but the vegan talking to you loses it's teeth in the midleg of the conversation, well, something is wrong and needs to be studied.
What is the unique mechanism of retardation that leads retards to absorb and regurgitate all pop-science without question, just on the basis of "the experts said so?" Why are normies so bad at decoupling the argument itself from appealing to authorities or appealing to consensus?
social media has been a disaster for the human race
Just trusting authority figures because they are the authority.
>ketoschizo is now LARPing as two different people to create a false consensus
Literally has no shame
I have a bowl of ice cream everynight, it's 150kcal and yogurt based but tastes great. 9g protein too. Weight has been stable. idk why people torture themselves to lose weight
try this one and post results
>carnivore ice cream
Explain to me how this isn't an eating disorder
thats how icecream used to be made before the fat bad bullshit...
same for chocolate
have a nice day, Moxyte. Nobody likes you.
The same retardation to lead retards to think all science is right.
Horseshoe theory in effect here.
True, everything’s equal, one thing is just as bad as another. Good thing we don’t have any responsibility to truth or reason. Back to demoralization and hopeless scrolling.
Nah, just trust in the Lord, the rest of it is all vanity.
>world is an increasingly complex and disconnected place
>people consoom media 24/7 designed to keep their attention by making them scared, angry, and then soothing them
It’s why people are so demoralized today. Their attention and emotional state have been monetized and they don’t even know it. That and addiction to indignation.
>ITT
I have a stroke every night, sometimes for up to 5 hours.
I'm a retard and I have no fucking idea what the science says or means. I grew up being told by my parents, teachers, media and the state that FAT and SUGAR were literal satan. Gorge yourself on beef, bread and vegetables. Drink as much milk as you can get into your tiny child body. Except don't because milk is a psyop by the milk industry and it drains the calcium in your bones leading to old people osteoporosis. Then I get older and hear that fat is actually good. Then it's some fat is good. Then it's all fat is good. Then it's no fat is good. Carbs are actually bad. No wait fast carbs are bad. Except they're good for energy and working out. But not too much. Actually nevermind look at asians eating white rice all the time. Everything is wrong, just eat bland tasteless yoghurt for the rest of your life. No go carnivore, eat like a caveman! Uhm ackshually our ancestors ate fruits and greens and even had rudimentary farming according to science. But you get fat and heart attacks doing that. So go raw food. Raw meat, raw veggies. Oops total nutritional disaster and you die at 34. Eat like the japs do, eat the mediterranean diet! Goat cheese all day and drink olive oil! No, oil is bad! But only certain oils. No all oils actually. Eat a tiny bit of everything. Except xyz because those have chemicals due to environmental damage and it turns out these dishes were poverty food and not actually nutritious. What the fuck is a retard supposed to do? Genuinely.
>What the fuck is a retard supposed to do? Genuinely.
Die eventually while never knowing the truth. It's our lot.
Japanese people are very diabetic even being skinny
>What the fuck is a retard supposed to do? Genuinely.
Eat like people in the ice age ate
Fat meat
Thats it
Confusion is a weapon that media uses to ell you crap
>What the fuck is a retard supposed to do? Genuinely.
All you have to do is look at the people and what they preach.
look at all these armchair veterans in this thread lol
Not all science isright or agreed upon though
"Science" claimed cigarettes were good for you in the 50s
>"Science" claimed cigarettes were good for you in the 50s
No it didnt so
Cigarettes (without additives) are in fact good for you. Only real non-NPCs can come to terms with this truth
doctors and scientists as a community have discredited themselves and now people can't tell which science is legitinate and which is just fancy marketing
OH NONONONO FADBROS
>3 million years of evolution is a fad
yeah sure thing
dont blame the carnivore diet bitch, you got a vaxxie and now you have the attaxxie, that is all
she didnt blame the carnivore diet in the following video
on the contrary
The case against science is straightforward.
>Most scientific studies are not valid because of a lack of information
>So instead you should just believe whatever you want
lmao
Most scientific studies are not valid because they are literally fraudulent
>nooo! You can't make observations about the world around you and make logical inferences! You have to be told what to think by le heckin' authorities!
Please have a nice day to raise the average IQ
So
If I do a thing
and it works
how can I science it?
It's amazing how anything by a news organization is either pure psyops or riding some psyops wave while seeking clicks
>So instead you should just believe whatever you want
Yes
Correct. What else am I supposed to do, believe whatever some stupid nerd wants to make up instead? Dumbass.
There is so much bullshit that even the contrarian retards here are contaminated with retardation.
Meanwhile there are microplastics in the rain and the powers that be want you to eat bugs and own nothing. I'm gonna avoid goyslop and that alone is a huge up, no matter if i go for a balanced diet or carnivore. No veganism tho, fuck vegans. Never met one who wasn't a twig gay
I sure won't believe the recommendations of commies.
I believe in common sense. If you try to live naturally you literally wouldn't come across any of the fruit and vegetables you get from stores. The ones you find would be way smaller with more seeds and bitter. Same goes for hotter climates.
I'll play devils advocate and say that if you have any familial history of hypercholesterolemia, then just don't do a carnivore diet. Alot of people are unaware of their genetic background causing a reduced capacity to process fats and causing an accumulation of LDL in the blood vessels, leading to atheresclerosis and plaque build up, eventually giving them heart disease, strokes etc.
I used to intern at a place that did genetic and metabolic screening and alot of children (ages 12 was the youngest I saw) who were already on statins because their genetics were so fucked that they already had high LDL and tryglicerides at that age
If anything, just get blood work done every couple of months if you're gonna do this shit
there is no evidence LDL is harmful even in heterozygous FH
>Alot of people are unaware of their genetic background causing a reduced capacity to process fats and causing an accumulation of LDL in the blood vessels, leading to atheresclerosis and plaque build up
It's extremely common knowledge that saturated fat and cholesterol clogs arteries. Hence the adage
>I'm watching my cholesterol!
But the carnivores ran into a BIG fucking problem.
>bacon tastes good
So you see there's a real problem. On one hand, they have the option to
>eat vegetables
But vegetables serve the Antichrist, because Leftists eat them. So that leaves us with one option
>eat nothing but meat
You see, there are no other options. It was one or the other. One cannot serve two masters.
>What is the unique mechanism of retardation
feeling ostracized from society in some way + need to be a special snowflake
all alternative health grifters prey on these people specifically
>feeling ostracized from society in some way + need to be a special snowflake
Doesn't have anything to do with it. Most people who look to alternative health ideas have tried the mainstream methods and they didn't work for them or even made them worse.
all the conflicting studies that end up being on self reported survey data that nobody tells the truth on and they do p value hacking to cherrypick patterns that are just statistical noise
naughty vaxxie, OP
you get your latest boostie yet?
I can't believe it's been 3 days and this post is still here
>vaxxed vegan has issues
>lol it's because she was vegan !!
>vaxxed carni has issues
>it must have been the vaxx !!
>vaxxed vegan dies
>it was just random chance, schizos!
>vaxxed carnivore has health issue, followed by swift recovery
>it's carnivore diet destroying her health, schizos!
Kys yourself, gay
vegan dies
>>it was just random chance, schizos!
No, it was becuase of her shitty diet that's essentially living as a starving African.
Likewise with the carni, it's because of their shitty diet but at least it isn't as unhealthy as a vegan diet. Although still unhealthy.
I'm going to start a keto/carni diet in a few weeks. Going to post before/after pics. Might even namefag. Prepare your anus, gay chud
Why a few weeks? Why not a few weeks ago? Why not today? Why not tomorrow?
You diet schizos are always like this. You never make any progress.
A vax apologist would just tell you that autism has always been around and that you're an anti-science Luddite for thinking that giving a child 70+ shots of barely regulated injections in the first six months of life might not be the best idea for their long-term health.
>What is the unique mechanism of retardation that leads retards to think all science is wrong?
Science is complicated has nuances prone to change. So it's complicated to follow for a lot of people. Influencer teaching you one simple trick to eat a certain way and it will make you a demigod is simple and not prone to changing much. Also reading science papers is not fun
Listening to testimony from someone who was unhealthy before but stopped eating slop and start eating restricted diet that made him feel and seem better is fun engaging and makes you happy.
Idk. I have no problems gaining weight I just add a lot of nuts and high fat milk to diet. I have no problem losing weight just cut on nuts and drink skim milk. Have no problems maintaining weight and I still eat some sweets. Dark chocolate and ice-cream just too good not to eat.
if anything, the plastic everyone touches daily impacts their health way more than eating a veggie occasionally.
but nah they'd rather be blind contrarians to whatever science says rather than see for themselves what's true because critical thinking is too hard
a poor understanding of biology and evolutionary history.
Theyre right in the notion that us humans will generally be healthier if we switch diets to what our ancestors eat compared to the processed goyslop shit and boatloads odlf carbs we eat today. Problem is that no humans other than the inuit even came close to a carnivore diet. and then inuit are much more athletic and active than anyone here, as well as constantly being in the cold. The conditions are not even close to being the same.
The scientific consensus TODAY and for the longest time (it could be wrong but its healthier than most other diets) is that the optimal diet for most people is probably something akin to the mediterranean diet. most of these studies are done on european whites though so a good alternative is whatever the fuck your ethnic ancestors ate (not restaurant foods). If you're black find out some subsaharan staples. If youre asian do the same shit. etc. etc.
>10 years vegain
>carnivore for one day
>strokes out
>iT wUz tEh mEaT!!!11!1!
it'sAllSoTiresome.jpg
Reversing type 2 Diabetes on a plant-based whole foods diet:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2677007/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2671114/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34113961/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6153574/
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2738784
Carbs don't make you fat:
https://link.springer.com/article/censored
Okinawa:
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/okinawa-diet#the-diet
https://www.shape.com/healthy-eating/diet-tips/okinawa-diet
https://www.byrdie.com/the-okinawa-diet
https://thebeet.com/what-is-the-okinawa-diet-and-how-could-it-help-you-live-longer/
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190116-a-high-carb-diet-may-explain-why-okinawans-live-so-long
Fat and insulin resistance:
"Epidemiological evidence and intervention studies clearly show that in humans saturated fat significantly worsen insulin-resistance, while monounsaturated and polyunsaturated fatty acids improve it through modifications in the composition of cell membranes which reflect at least in part dietary fat composition."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15297079/
Fertility:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30845641/
Vegetarian gladiators:
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0110489
Extra:
>Dr. Dean Ornish reversing heart disease with a WFPB diet
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9863851
>Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn Jr reversing heart disease with a WFPB diet
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25198208
Vegans have the highest life expectancy ever recorded https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11434797
https://www.livekindly.com/102-former-surgeon-secret-avoiding-heart-disease/