>Vegetarians can't bul--
>Has a digestive system built to break down fiber, similar to a horses
ly me on my way home from work.
They convert fiber to saturated fat. I eat saturated fat instead of fiber
>They convert fiber to saturated fat
Most retarded post i've seen in months
Its correct. Cope more idiot
Is not, you are literally braindead
> 57.3% of metabolizable energy from short-chain fatty acids (SCFA) derived from colonic fermentation of fiber
Gorilla brains are very small just like yours. Do you also ear your own shit?
You eat shit every time you consume any food, because all food grows on dirt, including meat which has traces of fecal matter
>Gorilla brains are very small just like yours.
Elephants have extremely big and developed brains, they are also the biggest and strongest land animal
now tell me how much of those short chain fatty acids are actually absorbed into the bloodstream from the colon where all fiber rich material ends up when you eat them retard
the reason why gorillas are big is because they eat around 6000 calories on average daily and over 400g of protein
they eat their own shit
most hindgut fermentation herbivores do
the heat from the shit cooks the protein
>moving the goalpost
not the same guy you were replying to so I'm not changing the argument
I see this meme about gorillas getting most of their energy in the form of SCFA's from their fiber rich diet online yet no one knows how supposedly this fiber fermentation produces SCFA's and more importantly how they are absorbed into the bloodstream which is necessary for the body to use them for metabolic purposes.
Unless you're a cow you ain't getting those, except maybe if you eat your own shit, all of it, even then it would be unrealistic.
The truth is those SCFA's gorillas supposedly derive from their diet aren't well understood at all and gorillas are also never in a state of ketosis unless they're diabetic so none of this matters.
Yes you are. Didnt read the rest of the post
>no one knows how supposedly this fiber fermentation produces SCFA'
did you not read?
>from colonic fermentation of fiber
and how are those SCFA's derived from colon fermentation (by bacteria) gonna reach your bloodstream in significant amounts?
do you know where fat and protein is absorbed in the digestive system?
they eat their own shit. its been said a dozen times in this thread. are you daft?
they don't eat enough of their own shit for it to matter
most of their calories are still gonna come from the protein and the carbohydrates they consume
you must be an expert in eating shit
do you know what and how much gorillas eat?
none of the idiots posting this bullshit about gorillas getting most of their energy from SCFA's even question what they read on their little gay ass dr. chud diet science online circles it seems
This guy eats his own shit
Not an argument, fiber cannot become saturated fat because fiber is literally a carbohydrate, fucking retard
The fuck are you talking about moron.
Alright, organic chemistry lesson time.
Imagine glucose. Glucose is a sugar, and sugar due to it's reactiveness and simplicity can form a chain. Now, said chain can be formed in two possible ways, stable and unstable. The stable way is really fucking tough, to the point it forms resilient structures, kinda like keratins, which are really tough. These structures are called fibers, and are so stable they need a special enzyme to be broken down in it's smaller glucoses. The unstable way of stacking glucose is glucogen. It's a single chain of glucoses, all stacked in a way which strips them of being tpugh but makes them more readily availible. Can also be stacked as starch, which is formed like branches.
Now, I bet you are familiar with the notion that excess sugar is transformed into saturated lipidic acids which are then stored under the skin. The cow, gorilla, and every herbivore does the same thing as the human does but with a different source of sugar. Now, breaking down plant fibers is no easy task and it takes a lot of time and energy, due to it being so stable. Cows are also called rumiants, because they have this sack in their mouths to store half eaten pasture to chewing on it to break it down as much as possible so it's more easily digestible. They take hours chewing on that shit, that's how hard is to metabolically extract glucose from plant fibers.
You literally said nothing, carbohydrates don't become saturated fats
yeah that’s why if you keep drinking sugary sodas you don’t get fat because it’s literally impossible to turn that sugar into fat
the fat you eat is the fat you wear, carbohydrates don't make you fat, it's impossible, fats are fattening and CICO is an outdated concept
>fats are essential and satiating
fats aren't essential, you can thrive and become godmode when you consume zero fat, look up durianrider
>consume zero fat
impossible. even fruits have trace amounts of fat
>you can thrive with anorexia athletics and steroids
please have a nice day now, I'm not joking
>sugar doesn’t make you fat it’s the 3g of butter in your donut
it's unironically true, you've been brainwashed by the CICO dogma and keto shills
and here i thought ketotards and peatards are the only ones who deny CICO, absolute state
thermodynamics says nothing about weight
>thinking any place serving you doughnuts uses real butter
In humans. In apes they do
>What is the Kreb's cycle?
Gorillas are not so vegan then.
bro they literally spend half the day eating their own shit because it's so inefficient at digesting it the first time.
>Gorilla strength is estimated to be about 10 times their body weight. Fully grown silverbacks are in actually stronger than 20 adult humans combined. A Silverback gorilla can lift 4,000 lb (1,810 kg) on a bench press, while a well-trained man can only lift up to 885 lb (401.5 kg.)
Don't tell me you wouldn't do the same if it meant you could bench a fucking car.
And yet a gorilla couldn't shoot a 100 lb bow while I casually practice with a 160 lb longbow.
They have big muscles but they have terrible anatomy.
never seen a bow in the jungle cunt that’s like saying
>well dat bro isn’t very efficient at burrowing deep holes in sand
You can make one just like every hunter gatherer population ever has.
Is burrowing inefficient? It's a good strategy.
Gorillas have all that muscle but they can't even climb well. The main purpose of them having all that meat and strength is to be a protein rich snack for jaguars and all the other shit that eats them.
Gorillas are prey.
>it’s a good strategy
Not even. Leopards, aka manlet tree jaguars.
>Dogs are improperly designed because they can't play soccer
Genius level logic
Had some old boomer vegan use this analogy once.
I just laughed and asked him if he was a gorilla or a human.
You just changed the goalpost, it proves that in nature herbivores can and are strong, just like humans can be strong being vegan/vegetarian
Gorillas have bacteria in their stomachs which can make protein from plant matter. Humans don’t
Are you literally retarded?
>Proteins of seitan, tofu, soya milk and pea emulsion are highly digestible.
> 97% for seitan, 95% for tofu, 92% for soya milk and 94% for pea emulsion
Pic related are vegans
No they're not. They ate meat and animal foods for 20+ years
I just tell girls I'm vegan but I eat meat. Why even bother stopping it's just a liberal status symbol?
>They ate meat and animal foods for 20+ years
Irrelevant and also the one on the right is just 22yo, because the body doesn't produce its own necessary proteins and you must consume proteins to keep adequate nutrition and muscle
What do actual nutritionists say about veganism? Not retards in an anime forum like you
>It is the position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics that appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. These diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, adolescence, older adulthood, and for athletes.
>Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics that
lol they don't even believe the shit the spew
Miss out on all BCAAs which are actual drivers of muscle hypertrophy, miss out on omega-3 fatty acids, miss out on b12, but sure, cherry pick studies and ctrl+f conclusions all you want.
>Miss out on all BCAAs
pea protein has all bcaas
>miss out on omega-3 fatty acids
sesame seeds, flax seeds, walnuts etc
>miss out on b12
plant milks, cereals, nutritional yeast
>cherry pick studies and ctrl+f conclusions all you want.
No one cherry picked anything, that's what the largest group nutritionists in the planet say based on all the research on the matter
>plant omega-3 and b12
LMAO look at this moron
b12 comes from bacteria making it in the soil not animals, is just that they eat that soil and that's how they get their b12, nazi
Okay and? Plants still don't have it. You gonna grow bacteria to eat next?
>Plants still don't have it.
Water lentils naturally have b12 and so does the soil/plants animals eat, anyway you can just eat plant milks, cereals or nutritional yeast for b12
>sesame seeds, flax seeds, walnuts etc
ALA does not convert to DHA and EPA evidenced by your atrophying brain
Yes it does, and it converts at higher rate when you stop consuming dha from animals, only your brain is rotten here
vegans now resorting to making things up to fit their ideology it seems
dis bro eating beans and nutz
> <0.05% for DHA
like i said you cant convert
yes you can, enough for recommended daily amounts
0.05% so you have to eat 200x the amount of ALA. you are fucking retarded
No you stupid retard
5,400 of ala which is just about 1 serving of chia seeds gets converted to somewhere between 100 to 200 mg of dha or more it depends, and that's enough for daily recommend amounts
no it doesnt and no its not
Yes it is, and the 0.05% is not the actual converstion rate
> 2-5% for DHA
and this study says
>3.8% for DHA
So it depends, so yes the post
yes you can, enough for recommended daily amounts
>if I just drink enough of this seed oil that skyrockets my Omega 6 levels I'd have enough omega 3 that would give a normal person a regular ratio
Fucking retard holy shit
Are seed oils in the room with us? Nobody mentioned oil
Seed oils are in the seeds you fucking retard.
Surely these results are replicable, r-right?
So basically you'll be downing supplements, unless you're keen on consuming fresh wet pond slop.
Just like all your other foods, they can never be whole foods, they're always supplemented, because you're eating an incomplete diet and always playing catch up trying to fill in gaps.
>lemme just redefine adequate so I'm right lol
>What does a ideological corrupted by industry organization say
Who cares? Veganism is dangerous for children and inappropriate for humans evidenced by the NEED for supplementation. Fuck you and fuck the academy of garden gnometetics
>You aren't married you were single once
do YOU look like that?
pic related is just 600 calories of tofu and beans and wow look at that it has all amino acids (complete protein)
>b12 deficient poster keeps posting non sequiturs
you are not fooling anybody
What non sequitur? I literally refuted the post calling plant proteins "incomplete"
2 more weeks until vegans die from b12
the fact that you need to rely on supplements and fortified foods proves your diet is inappropriate and suboptimal
The difference is you will die if you miss the top one lmao
>The main reason why tofu is so beneficial for menopause is because of the isoflavones that it contains. Isoflavones are plant-produced compounds that mimic estrogen in the body. Because a number of symptoms are caused by declining estrogen levels and fluctuating hormones, this can help stabilize the body's estrogen levels.
>guys just eat this white stuff that works like hormone replacement therapy for old ladies, trust me
>by declining estrogen levels
Did you even read your own link, your own link admits that tofu actually decreases estrogen which is good for men in particular lol
>gold medal vegan mental gymnastics
top tier bait by a caprophage
not an argument, the phytoestrogens of isoflavones have nothing to do with estrogen
>38 clinical studies were deemed suitable for inclusion in the meta-analysis.
>No effects of onions/isoflavones on testosterone or estrogen levels in men were noted.
>posting the same debunked "study" for a tenth time
you are not fooling anyone
>vegans can't read
are roids vegan?
>proteins of estrogen estrogrn estrogen and estrogen food
Vegan roids too
Yeah an animal with a digestive system specifically designed to digesting parts of plants that humans can't are able to become strong and muscular.
Do you have one though?
No retard it doesn't.
We're completely different otherwise we'd also be gorilla's.
Although your i.q is probably more in line with theirs
>big "strong" vegetarian gorilla dies to smaller carnivore
Makes you wonder.
Not interested in having a joe Rogan belly. Carnivores are leaner
That kind of belly is through roids.
have they ever given a gorilla roids
Vegans are so dumb I can never tell if these threads are serious. They genuinely believe this kind of shit.
I've been practicing MMA for 6 years simultaneousely with boxing for 7 years, as well as body-building for 4 years, 6'2 for 190 lbs.
I have a crazy velocity, and reflexes equal to my speed. I just have to wait for it to charge me and then dodge and bitch-slap it in the head. I won't let it go at the slightest mistake that gorilla's over. You'll always have virgins to think that is impossible. But nothing is impossible with willingness my friends, and secondly, it's not with your wobbly carcasses that you'll ever be doing anything.
Any man with a minimum of training can defeat a gorilla with a knife. With barehands it's not necessarily more complicated it only demands skill.
someone post emma watson granny and end this veganloonie
>The European Society for Paediatric Gastroenterology Hepatology and Nutrition states that 'vegan diets have generally been discouraged during complementary feeding' because 'the risks of failing to follow advice [for supplementation] are severe, including irreversible cognitive damage from vitamin B12 deficiency, and death'
>has a saggital crest bone in their skull which looks like a Mohawk which ligaments and muscles attach to for a protective layer around the top of their skull and a bite force of 2000lbs
>The German Nutrition Society 'does not recommend a vegan diet for pregnant women, lactating women, infants, children or adolescents' as it is 'difficult or impossible to attain an adequate supply of some nutrients'
>The German society for Pediatrics and Nutrition Science states that 'a vegan diet is disadvised during all periods with intense growth and development' and warns that 'children on pure vegan diet need ongoing elaborate dietary strategies and continuous supplementation at any age, similar to nutritional management in children with metabolic disorders'
>The Swiss Federal Commission for Nutrition does not recommend a vegan diet for pregant and lactating women infants, toddlers, adolescents, and elderly or people with debilitating diseases
>The Belgian Superior Health Council warns for a risk of various nutrient deficiencies (protein, EPA/DHA, vit D and B12, Fe, Zn, I, Ca), increasing with dietary restrictiveness. Vegan diets are not recommended for pregnant and lactating women and their infants and children (<3 y), as they 'likely do not meet nutritional requirements'. Due to the often elevated consumption of certain foods, the Council also warns for an increased exposure to problematic food components, including acrylamide, heavy metals, pesticides, mycotoxins, arsenic (in algae and rice), and - arguably - phyto-oestrogens
>The French Pediatric Hepatology/Gastroenterology/Nutrition Group (GFHGNP) claims that the 'craze for vegan diets has an effect on the pediatric population' and that it 'does not provide all micronutrient requirements and exposes children to [...] deficiencies [that] can have serious consequences'
>The Food Safety Authority of Ireland emphasizes the importance of nutrient-rich foods (incl. 3x meat/w, dairy, ...) and discourages plant 'milks' for 1-5 year olds
>The Società Italiana di Pediatria Preventiva e Sociale (SIPPS), the Federazione Italiana Medici Pediatri (FIMP) and the Società Italiana di Medicina Perinatale (SIMP) have stated in a joint position paper that vegan and vegetarian diets are inadequate for the correct neuro-psycho-motoric development of children, whereby lack of B12, iron, and DHA can cause irreversible damage; in addition, vegan diets cannot be recommended as they also lead to insufficient calcium and vitamin D supply
>The American Medical Association and the American Academy of Pediatrics both underline the importance of choline during pregnancy and lactation; because choline is found predominantly in animal-derived foods, vegetarians and vegans may have a greater risk for inadequacy
not an argument. the AND is the outlier and are corrupted by industry. all other nutrition authorities highlight the danger of diets that remove animal foods.
>corrupted by industry
literally how? you aware that they get funding from the egg industry too and they still despite that say veganism is good
most of their funding comes from companies that sell plant based junk
>Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics
should not be taken seriously if you care about your health
>We found the AND has invested funds in corporations such as Nestlé, PepsiCo and pharmaceutical companies, has discussed internal policies to fit industry needs and has had public positions favouring corporations.
crickets from the vegans on this one
if he was vegan he would already be dead
cope dr. chud
your shit diet kills people
You need to go back
>such as Nestlé,
Nestle is literally part of the milk industry, why would AND have vegan positions but be involved with them, if anything it hurts Nestle to be with them
most of their products are plant based and most of their revenue come from plant products. you really are grasping at straws. careful you dont brake a nail
Untrue in terms of volume
more profit from plant products never said anything about volume.
the only ones coping are the b12 deficient
milk beverages are mostly water by volume from the milk itself so that much is obvious
but what about by revenue?
dairy products have little profit margins whereas cereal based products have much higher ones
where's most of the profit coming from?
They eat all day, and sometimes eat their own shit too. If thats your thing, go ahead.
bananas share 99% of their DNA with humans
what do bananas eat?
Reminder that Vegans unironically shill for large corporations and try to downplay the detrimental effects of sneed oils. They are the leftists of the nutritional world and should be treated as such.
>it’s another anon pretends to be vegan to troll self-righteous retards thread
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