high obesity rate is good because it kills americans and prevents our country from being overpopulated with the elderly, which is a death sentence for the economy and younger generations.
the correlation exists between shit future prospects and % elderly, as well as debt:gdp ratio. case in point, japan and italy.
>high obesity rate is good because it kills americans and prevents our country from being overpopulated with the elderly, which is a death sentence for the economy >doesnt understand that obese people cost as much, if not more than the elderly.
The same argument was used against smokers that theyre a burden for health care but most end up dying young and I suspect the case for obesity is similar. Obesity isnt expensive per se but its the diseases associated with it that normal weight people also get that are expensive. Diabetes probably being one of if not the most expensive
obesity is really expensive. i worked in a stroke ward, bypass surgery ward and a ward where they rehabilitate people after joint replacement surgery. 85% of the people in those wards were obese.
and this was in a country that has 25% obesity rate.
Obesity is the most expensive issue we got, cause it affects absolutely every part of the human body
1 year ago
Anonymous
I don't really support state healthcare, yet I can see how obesity is profitable for the doctors in US. just tell people they are HAES, give them prescriptions for ""thyroids"", rake up ever increasing bills until they kick the bucket at 40. fatties are like cash cows for doctors, a steady source of income in a country with a bit too much money and a bit too little self control.
and what the fuck do you do anyway in this situation as a doctor? if you tell fat people they are unhealthy, they will rally against you. they've been telling the country it has obesity epidemics since the 90s, everyone shrugged it off and said "I'll eat what I want".
at a certain point, "muh personal freedom to eat myself to death" starts costing the society a bit too much.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>I don't really support state healthcare
thats cause private companie are litterally fuck up your healthcare. in nearly all other countries state run healthcare works. Even china got universal healthcare
Fatties are a cash cow for US medical industry, but a major expensefor everything else.
I'm the guy who made the pic. I'm not vegan, in fact I usually shit on vegans here (used to be fruitarian ~9 years ago, lost all of my muscle, never again).
i just dislike keto because it's a similarly retarded diet, and constant keto shilling on IST and IST got really annoying
Then you either are dumb or pretending, the whole comic started as response to someone saying "rice is literally like candy". I'll admit I'm more annoyed about keto after having browsed IST for long, it has more diet shitshow threads. Thankfully, IST has less ketards, I guess they get btfo'ed every time they try to shill their diet here.
You reach quite deep down your ass for your assumptions
I'm actually underweight, also the image is like a week old, I've posted it myself only once or twice here, rest was other people reposting it.
You said that about your first cope image as well.
1 year ago
Anonymous
what "first" image? do you have some guy living in your head that you think is responsible for every post you don't like?
1 year ago
Anonymous
There is an image that shows the guy posting hundreds, tousand images with the same image md and file name. I know you are deep into cope abd lying now but the real evidence has been posted enough. And yes same excuses everytime, you think nobody will notice but they do anon.
1 year ago
Anonymous
ah, that one? it's not mine. i cut out the redditor from it though, and it certainly inspired the comic too. that image is seemingly old, I've seen it first on IST about maybe 2 years ago? I didn't even go on IST back then. so I'm glad you uncovered this great conspiracy, bud, you totally showed this 1 person in your head.
Holyshit the cope is real!
I dont know what it is with pointing out mentally ill people and their lies but they get real seething when you do.
>I usually shit on vegans here (used to be fruitarian ~9 years ago, lost all of my muscle, never again) >Does retarded fruit diet that noone asked him to do >blames veganism
I am baffled
Learn to read. I don't blame veganism altogether. I blame my young self for jumping to retarded diets, but also raw vegan gurus deliberately misleading people to promote their diet.
Fruitarian diet and raw veganism are retarded, regular veganism is better and can even be sustainable long term, but it's still retarded too. It cuts off animal products not for any nutritional reason, but purely because muh ethics and muh planet (both very questionable). Plant protein is downright worse, many deficiencies vegans get further hint that humans are not really herbivores but most likely omnivores, and vegan fitness even further proves that it's a joke of a diet. Not to mention flavonoids, antinutrients, FODMAP, and lots of other negatives about plant food.
>wont mention diabetees rates only looks at obesety as if being metabolically sick is okay as long as your genetics dont let you store more body fat
Id say you dishonesty is annoying but i dont care what you do with your health or people stupid enough to fall for this.
What this pic fails to mention is: portion size.
Now just imagine if italians and japanese people ate a keto diet. What I'm saying is: keto does work, but you don't NEED it, provided your serving size is the same as italians (80g pasta, weighed dry) or japs.
Also, italians tend to cook a lot at home, so they know how much fat's in their meal. I can tell you this cause I'm italian (not italian-american, legit italian).
the whole point was that sure as fuck obese people in US don't get fat on rice, pasta, potatoes, etc., especially when they don't cook to begin with, and maybe if they did, they wouldn't be so obese. that was my main point. also, I have never seen people get fat eating plain boiled rice.
while refined sugar may (at least on paper) spike appetite, fatties still get a fuckton of calories from fat. junk food is almost always about half calories from carbs and half from fat, see chips and chocolate—staple fatty foods. I'm yet to see a fatty get fat off of grains alone, yet somehow keto posters will blame the food pyramid and its focus on grains for obesity. >80g pasta, weighed dry
how many times a day, 1/2/3? 80g is ~300 cals, ~60g carbs which already is over typical "keto" range, more if you add tomato sauce. 2x a day is ~600 cals, ~120g carbs. i guess according to keto eating this way makes you a fat pig addicted to carbs with insulin resistance heading straight to diabetes.
The legit thing about keto though for obese people is that limiting carbs so hard necessarily cuts 99.9% of junk food out of your diet. Fatties only options are to gorge on meat and cheese, and it's a lot harder to stomach a shitload of those than it is the equivalent cookies, icecream, soda etc.
that's true, but in fairness they were actually able to reforge their empire of classical antiquity (han dynasty), and hundreds of years later the new empire (Tang dynasty) was larger, had a stronger military, better infrastructure, and a more refined culture than the ancient empire ever did. Justinian and Charlemagne both tried to do this for Rome but failed.
>yes I'm a retard that gets all my information from IST
China routinely destroyed and slaughtered nomadic empires.
Han dynasty China and Tang dynasty China conquered and raped the entire steppe from Mongolia to Central Asia.
China wrecked nomadic empires multiple times from the Xiongnu (Mongolia and Central Asia), Jie, Western Turkic Khaghanate (Central Asia), Eastern Turkic Khaghanate (Mongolia), Xueyantuo and Uyghur Khaghanate (Mongolia). All of them destroyed and massacred by the Qin dynasty, Han dynasty and Tang dynasty. The Jianzhou Jurchen (Manchus) were under Ming rule and a part of the Ming Weisuo system before rebelling. They were rebels inside the Ming.
Almost all non-Han dynasties were founded by barbarians who were subjugated and conquered by Han before rebelling. The Wu Hu barbarians were slaves of Han Chinese who had been deported into northern China and revolted after a civil war.
This is one of those crazy carb haters, i bet my ass he is using the fact young asians are getting fatter and fatter to attack rice when in reality they are getting fatter because they have been introduced to western diet
>In 675, the use of livestock and the consumption of some wild animals (horse, cattle, dogs, monkeys, birds) was banned in Japan by Emperor Tenmu, due to the influence of Buddhism.[63] Subsequently, in the year 737 of the Nara period, the Emperor Seimu approved the eating of fish and shellfish. During the twelve hundred years from the Nara period to the Meiji Restoration in the latter half of the 19th century, Japanese people enjoyed vegetarian-style meals. They usually ate rice as a staple food as well as beans and vegetables. It was only on special occasions or celebrations that fish was served.
Don't talk about things you don't know about, retard
>years of hard ass work and fighting in wars, revolutions, continent wide conflicts >slave away building entire countries, dynasties, and civilizations >do all of this while maintaining a diet of rice (nothing if you were Chinese under Mao lol) after millennia of nearly endless hardship >western influence begins to move culture into an age of technological advancement >as automation increases and physical labor begins to lessen, sedentary lifestyles are now the norm >start getting fat after eating the same carb rich diets used to build your way of life that is today
Wow I'm shocked
I've been eating rice (+ curry) at least 7 times a week for +20 years without doing sports and I was always underweight. Then again maybe my genes are made to digest this really well
Nothing has ever disproven CICO. Ketolards tried to prove their insulin-obesity hypothesis around 2000s, hired Kevin Hall to do the studies, and btfo'd themselves.
After that they changed their "argumenting" to what we see today: deny validity of all nutrition science, do imago marketing, appeal to emotion, do conspiracy theories, and drop smoke & mirrors everywhere. Carnivore diet is the penultimate expression of that by completely flipping reality on its head. It's fucking horrid and disgraceful, but damn it's effective. Basically scientifically sound side needs their own Hitler to beat those fucking cretins, meaning someone armed with "heart burning rhetoric and the truth". Just saying the truth doesn't work when ketolards have pre-emptively said that everything you hear from anyone else except them is a industry funded lie.
CICO is technically not invalid, but as far as useful its shit at making you leaner long term if you arent eating proper food sources (animals) primarily
And yet you lie yourself here by claiming keto is magic that ignores cico. It works on hormones and keeping your insulin low and you not hungry. If you eat a bucket of butter you still get fat but at least not metabolically sick.
The fun thing about CICO is that it will always be true and yet it is utterly meaningless.
>tranime poster with a braindead take
ywnbaw
>penultimate
The only people I ever see or hear using this word are people who don't know what it means, and your post is no exception. Kys, moron.
Why do ketomorons always get asshurt when CICO is mentioned?
Do ketomorons just get mad that keto, just like any other diet, relies solely on CICO for weight loss/gain and it isn't some silver bullet type of deal?
CICO is technically not invalid, but as far as useful its shit at making you leaner long term if you arent eating proper food sources (animals) primarily
>CICO is technically not invalid
CICO is literally just about calories, why do you morons think it's meant to be about anything else?
You want to lose weight? You eat less, aka CICO.
You want to gain weight? You eat more, aka CICO.
What type of food you eat is outside of CICO, because it's not about calories anymore, just about macros/micros.
And when it comes to weight loss/gain CICO is ALWAYS right.
Why do you get so butthurt when you lies are pointed out?
1 year ago
Anonymous
>lies
holy shit the cope is real
i don't know what is with CICO and keto, ketoids start seething the moment you mention it >but how can CICO be real when America is fat? >I switched to keto. I started to eat less food due to increased satiety. I lost weight. where's your CICO now?
it's not like keto even contradicts CICO much, why do you even get infuriated over it? because you want to prove that it's muh hormones, muh addiction to carbs, etc? I don't even get it, please enlighten me
1 year ago
Anonymous
Holyshit the cope is real!
I dont know what it is with pointing out mentally ill people and their lies but they get real seething when you do.
>CICO is literally just about calories
And calories are a tautological, useless way to measure the underlying reality of foods effect on weight gain and loss
>You want to lose weight? You eat less, aka CICO
Except that 500 kcal of rice vs 500 kcal of steak will produce wildly different responses in adipose tissue, testosterone, and BMR
> What type of food you eat is outside of CICO
canola oil has a different effect on you than butter, so even in the same macro category calories fail to be useful
>And when it comes to weight loss/gain CICO is ALWAYS right.
this is a literal tautology
1 year ago
Anonymous
>canola oil has a different effect on you than butter, so even in the same macro category calories fail to be useful
citation needed. youre just making it up as you go.
>Except that 500 kcal of rice vs 500 kcal of steak will produce wildly different responses in adipose tissue, testosterone, and BMR >makes insane and unrealistic explample to prove his point
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15277154/
Macros barely matter at all, when kcals and protein is equated.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>citation needed
lmao go suck off a scientist you little gay
>youre just making stuff up
do the experiment yourself, I eat 1000 'calories' a day MORE now than when I was 50 lbs heavier and I wasn't outrageously fat. Difference is no sneedoil and reduced carbs (all from either lactose or occassionally honey/maple syrup)
1 year ago
Anonymous
of course youre one of those who dont believe in research. that explains why your takes arent only wrong, but also retarded
>Difference is no sneedoil and reduced carbs >thinks sneedoils are bad for you
yup, you dont read research. i guess youtube vids and your personal experience trumps everything
1 year ago
Anonymous
>of course youre one of those who dont believe in research
research is LITERALLY funded by the companies that make g0yslop, and they use dogshit methodology and low quality evidence to try to make the case that g0yslop is 'le heart healthy' when its both self evident, and logically incontrivertible that humans are DESIGNED (by the LORD) to eat meat primarily and other foods as a cope (and seethe) when meat is scarce.
>I'm a fucking moron, I love gargling technocrat cum and I have severe retardation
Yes I know
1 year ago
Anonymous
>research is LITERALLY funded by the companies that make g0yslop, and they use dogshit methodology and low quality evidence to try to make the case that g0yslop is 'le heart healthy' when its both self evident, and logically incontrivertible that humans are DESIGNED (by the LORD) to eat meat primarily and other foods as a cope (and seethe) when meat is scarce.
if you cant weed out the bad research, you must litterally have room temp IQ. just cause some research is bad, doesnt mean it all is. and why does every research denier not know they ALL have to state who pays them, who they work for and what they do? youd know this if you actually read research. Every person ive met who say "research is wrong" are all people who have absolutely no idea about. it never fails to be a case of dunning kruger.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>if you cant weed out the bad research
all of the 'plants good meat bad' research is dogshit, thanks for agreeing with me
>it never fails to be a case of dunning kruger
I'm literally 30-40% smarter than you, I can tell by how brown and low IQ you write sentences and express thoughts
1 year ago
Anonymous
>plants good meat bad
that is pushed in reasearch, but if you read more of it youll see that meat isnt bad, and plants are still good. the reason why meat is associated with some issues is cause people who eat a lot of meat tend to eat little to no vegetables, but when vegetable intake is equated they see no issues with meat intake.
some agendas are being pushed in research, but you can quickly find issues with them.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>I'm literally 30-40% smarter than you, I can tell by how brown and low IQ you write sentences and express thoughts
hilarious, im not even tan
1 year ago
Anonymous
>research is LITERALLY funded by the companies that make g0yslop >weeb pic
yeah sure bud. somehow CICO is used in studies and in actual scientific weight loss programs ("scientific" as in not created by meme chiropractors), but it's still bullshit because… because it just is ok?? all of the science, ALL of it is paid for by big goyslop and big CICO, only Dr. ~~*Berg*~~ is not at all driven by profits and retains complete integrity (and devotion to scientology).
1 year ago
Anonymous
>somehow CICO is used in studies
Doesn't mean its not tautological, and ALL real world data shows massive relapse raters wrt weight, short term interventions almost universally fail to cause LASTING weight loss because you are essentially 'starving' yourself thin which causes your body to rebound once restrictions are removed
what is documented to work is eliminating plant foods
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Doesn't mean its not tautological, and ALL real world data shows massive relapse raters wrt weight, short term interventions almost universally fail to cause LASTING weight loss because you are essentially 'starving' yourself thin which causes your body to rebound once restrictions are removed
this has absolutely nothing to do with CICO being correct or wrong. relapse stems from behaviour and people not knowing how to lose weight
1 year ago
Anonymous
>relapse stems from behaviour and people not knowing how to lose weight
its because 'counting calories' is starvation, and carbs are starvation food, if they ate only meat they wouldn't relapse because they wouldn't be malnourished (from carbs)
1 year ago
Anonymous
you do know that there are plenty of keto people who relapse, and some even gain weight? are you dense on purpose?
1 year ago
Anonymous
I'm not advocating keto
I think the issue is around plant foods being nutritionally devoid and causes people to binge, if unprocessed you cant get a healthy amount of calories without other issues from them, and if processed become incredibly obesigenic
keto by itself isnt much better since it only focuses on 'carbs' and allows massively processed junk food which often contain plants
1 year ago
Anonymous
oh i see, you're just a carnitard. "if only people ate only meat, America wouldn't be obese, plants make you fat", uh huh.
1 year ago
Anonymous
not a carnivore either, I drink milk and eat some honey/fruit occasionally
but its a fact that plant foods are the road by which people arrive at obesity
1 year ago
Anonymous
>but its a fact that plant foods are the road by which people arrive at obesity >fact
yeah, see all those fat vegans and indians
1 year ago
Anonymous
vegans and indians are stunted and unhealthy, with low energy since their BMR is shot to shit, and a lot of them are fat regardless
basically if you starve long enough you will technically lose weight, but you will be sickly and/or underdeveloped
1 year ago
Anonymous
why did you link that study, nobody was talking about the glycemic index
>usually
you mean the energy needed to digest and absorption rate?Do you also lift weights in gram increments retard? Too much tracking aka being autistic doesnt matter cause it doesnt affect that much. Muh 50 kcal difference.moron go harder than last time
>you mean the energy needed to digest and absorption rate?
protein takes 30% of its 'energy' content to digest it, and further more some foods just dont cause your body to produce testosterone or other hormones meaning your BMR will tank if you eat them
Experience trumps any other type of knowledge, and in my experience I haven't found carbohydrates to be fattening at all as I eat plenty of sugar, wheat, rice, potatoes and fruit throughout the day and have a stable weight.
Both Mongols and their horses were noted to be small retard.
Genghis Khan literally slaughtered all the Mongols of one tribe taller than an age cart wheel and only incorporated the midget survivors into his army, he actually decreased averaged Mongol height from its already small height.
Average Mongol is shorter than Ham Chinese and Han Chinese from Shandong are taller than most white people
>Asians have extremely low height >low height is correlated with low dairy/meat available for children
wow starvation ended and they became just like everyone else
>Genghis Khan used this brutal method against Jamukha's coalition of tribes in 1202. All male captives were forced to walk beside a wagon wheel. If their heads were higher than the linchpin (a pin inserted at the end of the axle) they were immediately executed. The wagon wheel was a large wheel used to transport yurts and other goods. This technique was probably used to preempt against revenge attacks that were common between tribes at this time. If one tribe were to attack another, there was always the possibility that there would be a revenge attack soon after. By eliminating the older males, there was less chance of a counterattack from tribes that were in perpetual conflict due to centuries of distrust and robbery.
This picture of tall nomads are actually Kazakhs, not Mongols. Kazakhs are literally mongrel mutt rapebabies of Mongol men raping Indo-European Caucasian women. Kazakhs have paternal Mongol Y Haplogroup C2 while they have maternal Indo-European Caucasian mtdna haplogroups.
When I was in China I told the woman I was staying with that I wanted to eat less fried food because it's not good for my health, and I'd rather eat more salad. We went to the market and got vegetables for it, then I made myself a nice salad. I tried to get her to eat it but she couldn't get over the fact that I was eating leafy greens and other vegetables raw, like it literally caused her brain to stop working. I gave her half the salad and she insisted on stir frying it before she would eat it.
This isn't the first time I've seen brain damaged ketoschizos suggest Japanese people secretly eat a ketogenic diet. As a dude who toured that country for over a month that's hilarious to me.
Then they ate more and did less :O
the cultivation of rice and basedbeans has been a disaster for the eastern people
and they got assraped by the Chad Mongols who ate a protein rich animal based diet
Based and mongol pilled
wtf does this bro eat? or is this a larp and he's a rich modern man who roids?
This pic kinda spoke to me.
I know that veganschizo is a gay, but he actually made a decent picture for once that wasn't just pure namecalling.
They terrain they lived in was very good for horses and cavalry back then was like tanks today.
high obesity rate is good because it kills americans and prevents our country from being overpopulated with the elderly, which is a death sentence for the economy and younger generations.
the correlation exists between shit future prospects and % elderly, as well as debt:gdp ratio. case in point, japan and italy.
>which is a death sentence for the economy and younger generations.
jokes on you, young people are fucked anyway
>high obesity rate is good because it kills americans and prevents our country from being overpopulated with the elderly, which is a death sentence for the economy
>doesnt understand that obese people cost as much, if not more than the elderly.
typical american
The same argument was used against smokers that theyre a burden for health care but most end up dying young and I suspect the case for obesity is similar. Obesity isnt expensive per se but its the diseases associated with it that normal weight people also get that are expensive. Diabetes probably being one of if not the most expensive
obesity is really expensive. i worked in a stroke ward, bypass surgery ward and a ward where they rehabilitate people after joint replacement surgery. 85% of the people in those wards were obese.
and this was in a country that has 25% obesity rate.
Obesity is the most expensive issue we got, cause it affects absolutely every part of the human body
I don't really support state healthcare, yet I can see how obesity is profitable for the doctors in US. just tell people they are HAES, give them prescriptions for ""thyroids"", rake up ever increasing bills until they kick the bucket at 40. fatties are like cash cows for doctors, a steady source of income in a country with a bit too much money and a bit too little self control.
and what the fuck do you do anyway in this situation as a doctor? if you tell fat people they are unhealthy, they will rally against you. they've been telling the country it has obesity epidemics since the 90s, everyone shrugged it off and said "I'll eat what I want".
at a certain point, "muh personal freedom to eat myself to death" starts costing the society a bit too much.
>I don't really support state healthcare
thats cause private companie are litterally fuck up your healthcare. in nearly all other countries state run healthcare works. Even china got universal healthcare
Fatties are a cash cow for US medical industry, but a major expensefor everything else.
imagine thinking Italyis not a major shithole.Spotted the mutt
I'm the guy who made the pic. I'm not vegan, in fact I usually shit on vegans here (used to be fruitarian ~9 years ago, lost all of my muscle, never again).
i just dislike keto because it's a similarly retarded diet, and constant keto shilling on IST and IST got really annoying
The only keto posts I've seen for the last 4 months have been you crying about it.
To be fair somebody often makes /fat/ threads with anti-carb OPs.
Then you either are dumb or pretending, the whole comic started as response to someone saying "rice is literally like candy". I'll admit I'm more annoyed about keto after having browsed IST for long, it has more diet shitshow threads. Thankfully, IST has less ketards, I guess they get btfo'ed every time they try to shill their diet here.
Yet you never mention that you are obese. Fatty cope is unreal, how many times did you spam those images on fit over 10 000 times now?
You reach quite deep down your ass for your assumptions
I'm actually underweight, also the image is like a week old, I've posted it myself only once or twice here, rest was other people reposting it.
You said that about your first cope image as well.
what "first" image? do you have some guy living in your head that you think is responsible for every post you don't like?
There is an image that shows the guy posting hundreds, tousand images with the same image md and file name. I know you are deep into cope abd lying now but the real evidence has been posted enough. And yes same excuses everytime, you think nobody will notice but they do anon.
ah, that one? it's not mine. i cut out the redditor from it though, and it certainly inspired the comic too. that image is seemingly old, I've seen it first on IST about maybe 2 years ago? I didn't even go on IST back then. so I'm glad you uncovered this great conspiracy, bud, you totally showed this 1 person in your head.
you're just embarrassing yourself at this point
>lie
>talk shit
Think it will work?
whatever bud. have a nice day
Ah hell nah dis dat fat bro who made the anti-fruit /fat/ thread?
>I usually shit on vegans here (used to be fruitarian ~9 years ago, lost all of my muscle, never again)
>Does retarded fruit diet that noone asked him to do
>blames veganism
I am baffled
>American reading comprehension
Not him, but man, you gotta work on that.
Learn to read. I don't blame veganism altogether. I blame my young self for jumping to retarded diets, but also raw vegan gurus deliberately misleading people to promote their diet.
Fruitarian diet and raw veganism are retarded, regular veganism is better and can even be sustainable long term, but it's still retarded too. It cuts off animal products not for any nutritional reason, but purely because muh ethics and muh planet (both very questionable). Plant protein is downright worse, many deficiencies vegans get further hint that humans are not really herbivores but most likely omnivores, and vegan fitness even further proves that it's a joke of a diet. Not to mention flavonoids, antinutrients, FODMAP, and lots of other negatives about plant food.
>wont mention diabetees rates only looks at obesety as if being metabolically sick is okay as long as your genetics dont let you store more body fat
Id say you dishonesty is annoying but i dont care what you do with your health or people stupid enough to fall for this.
> diabetees
Did it exist in China or Japan until they started eating American junkfood
You ignored the point entirely. How fat you get from food is not the only biomarker you should give a shit about
>Americans think you diabetes from eating carbs/sugar
Why?
What this pic fails to mention is: portion size.
Now just imagine if italians and japanese people ate a keto diet. What I'm saying is: keto does work, but you don't NEED it, provided your serving size is the same as italians (80g pasta, weighed dry) or japs.
Also, italians tend to cook a lot at home, so they know how much fat's in their meal. I can tell you this cause I'm italian (not italian-american, legit italian).
the whole point was that sure as fuck obese people in US don't get fat on rice, pasta, potatoes, etc., especially when they don't cook to begin with, and maybe if they did, they wouldn't be so obese. that was my main point. also, I have never seen people get fat eating plain boiled rice.
while refined sugar may (at least on paper) spike appetite, fatties still get a fuckton of calories from fat. junk food is almost always about half calories from carbs and half from fat, see chips and chocolate—staple fatty foods. I'm yet to see a fatty get fat off of grains alone, yet somehow keto posters will blame the food pyramid and its focus on grains for obesity.
>80g pasta, weighed dry
how many times a day, 1/2/3? 80g is ~300 cals, ~60g carbs which already is over typical "keto" range, more if you add tomato sauce. 2x a day is ~600 cals, ~120g carbs. i guess according to keto eating this way makes you a fat pig addicted to carbs with insulin resistance heading straight to diabetes.
The legit thing about keto though for obese people is that limiting carbs so hard necessarily cuts 99.9% of junk food out of your diet. Fatties only options are to gorge on meat and cheese, and it's a lot harder to stomach a shitload of those than it is the equivalent cookies, icecream, soda etc.
"Italylowest obesity in EU" Kek are these fuckers retardet?
Slavs and balts have the lowest obesity rates.
No they dont since those countries are filled with poor alcoholic retards
>Slavs and balts have the lowest obesity rates.
anon…
>Tfw obesity in america were 41.9% on 2017
China sinicized the mongols in like 1 generation and then the mongol empire collapsed
>China sinicized the mongols
the whole history of China is getting invaded and enslaved by foreign tribes
It's a known fact that kublai khan era mongols complained about losing mongol traditions to chinese culture
Source: i watched marco polo on netflix
lol'd
that was an ok show and leftists were mad there were like 2 whites in it
that's true, but in fairness they were actually able to reforge their empire of classical antiquity (han dynasty), and hundreds of years later the new empire (Tang dynasty) was larger, had a stronger military, better infrastructure, and a more refined culture than the ancient empire ever did. Justinian and Charlemagne both tried to do this for Rome but failed.
>yes I'm a retard that gets all my information from IST
China routinely destroyed and slaughtered nomadic empires.
Han dynasty China and Tang dynasty China conquered and raped the entire steppe from Mongolia to Central Asia.
China wrecked nomadic empires multiple times from the Xiongnu (Mongolia and Central Asia), Jie, Western Turkic Khaghanate (Central Asia), Eastern Turkic Khaghanate (Mongolia), Xueyantuo and Uyghur Khaghanate (Mongolia). All of them destroyed and massacred by the Qin dynasty, Han dynasty and Tang dynasty. The Jianzhou Jurchen (Manchus) were under Ming rule and a part of the Ming Weisuo system before rebelling. They were rebels inside the Ming.
Almost all non-Han dynasties were founded by barbarians who were subjugated and conquered by Han before rebelling. The Wu Hu barbarians were slaves of Han Chinese who had been deported into northern China and revolted after a civil war.
damn...I'll never be this cool/free. I hate living in this cucked gay modern world
You’ll never be a mongol you cringe gay
Han Chinese defeated and conquered Mongolia centuries before the Mongol empire was founded and Genghis Khan was born.
CCP lies
Then what?
You'll have to click the video to find out!
I keep clicking the video but it just makes the picture bigger and smaller.
Yeah i think its broken or something brah
Not watching dr garden gnomeberg or buying his diet plan, sorry.
He's Scandinavian. Still though, not always worth watching.
There are garden gnomes in skandiland, especially Swedistan
This is one of those crazy carb haters, i bet my ass he is using the fact young asians are getting fatter and fatter to attack rice when in reality they are getting fatter because they have been introduced to western diet
pin pon, seekai gozaimasu, anon-kun! omedeto!
Japanese were literally vegetarians for hundreds of years
That's why they were short and skinny
But they live on island, they for sure had fish.
Buddhists made them not eat animals
>Japanese were literally vegetarians for hundreds of years
Absolute bullshit.
>In 675, the use of livestock and the consumption of some wild animals (horse, cattle, dogs, monkeys, birds) was banned in Japan by Emperor Tenmu, due to the influence of Buddhism.[63] Subsequently, in the year 737 of the Nara period, the Emperor Seimu approved the eating of fish and shellfish. During the twelve hundred years from the Nara period to the Meiji Restoration in the latter half of the 19th century, Japanese people enjoyed vegetarian-style meals. They usually ate rice as a staple food as well as beans and vegetables. It was only on special occasions or celebrations that fish was served.
Don't talk about things you don't know about, retard
RICE BROS?
Doesn't have effect if you have a balanced diet
Those sailors were eating basically nothing but white rice
C-carnivore bros?
now compare that to how she looked before she started the diet
This after she started carnivore, but it's 2016 or earlier
>years of hard ass work and fighting in wars, revolutions, continent wide conflicts
>slave away building entire countries, dynasties, and civilizations
>do all of this while maintaining a diet of rice (nothing if you were Chinese under Mao lol) after millennia of nearly endless hardship
>western influence begins to move culture into an age of technological advancement
>as automation increases and physical labor begins to lessen, sedentary lifestyles are now the norm
>start getting fat after eating the same carb rich diets used to build your way of life that is today
Wow I'm shocked
asian obesity is booming
hmm… I wonder, what is the cause? surely it's the rice they've been eating for thousands of years!
people will make up any excuse possible to not have to cut down on fat, grease, oil, lard etc
Have you seen the average street food in Asia? Full of fried shit
I've been eating rice (+ curry) at least 7 times a week for +20 years without doing sports and I was always underweight. Then again maybe my genes are made to digest this really well
Then they added a bunch of seed oils and food was less scarce generally.
cico is literally the only thing that matters for pure weightgain
except 'calories' aren't created equal so it only works if you tightly control calorie type and sources
Nothing has ever disproven CICO. Ketolards tried to prove their insulin-obesity hypothesis around 2000s, hired Kevin Hall to do the studies, and btfo'd themselves.
After that they changed their "argumenting" to what we see today: deny validity of all nutrition science, do imago marketing, appeal to emotion, do conspiracy theories, and drop smoke & mirrors everywhere. Carnivore diet is the penultimate expression of that by completely flipping reality on its head. It's fucking horrid and disgraceful, but damn it's effective. Basically scientifically sound side needs their own Hitler to beat those fucking cretins, meaning someone armed with "heart burning rhetoric and the truth". Just saying the truth doesn't work when ketolards have pre-emptively said that everything you hear from anyone else except them is a industry funded lie.
CICO is technically not invalid, but as far as useful its shit at making you leaner long term if you arent eating proper food sources (animals) primarily
Ayamechad
*sniff*
And yet you lie yourself here by claiming keto is magic that ignores cico. It works on hormones and keeping your insulin low and you not hungry. If you eat a bucket of butter you still get fat but at least not metabolically sick.
Why do ketomorons always get asshurt when CICO is mentioned?
Do ketomorons just get mad that keto, just like any other diet, relies solely on CICO for weight loss/gain and it isn't some silver bullet type of deal?
>CICO is technically not invalid
CICO is literally just about calories, why do you morons think it's meant to be about anything else?
You want to lose weight? You eat less, aka CICO.
You want to gain weight? You eat more, aka CICO.
What type of food you eat is outside of CICO, because it's not about calories anymore, just about macros/micros.
And when it comes to weight loss/gain CICO is ALWAYS right.
Why do you get so butthurt when you lies are pointed out?
>lies
holy shit the cope is real
i don't know what is with CICO and keto, ketoids start seething the moment you mention it
>but how can CICO be real when America is fat?
>I switched to keto. I started to eat less food due to increased satiety. I lost weight. where's your CICO now?
it's not like keto even contradicts CICO much, why do you even get infuriated over it? because you want to prove that it's muh hormones, muh addiction to carbs, etc? I don't even get it, please enlighten me
Holyshit the cope is real!
I dont know what it is with pointing out mentally ill people and their lies but they get real seething when you do.
>CICO is literally just about calories
And calories are a tautological, useless way to measure the underlying reality of foods effect on weight gain and loss
>You want to lose weight? You eat less, aka CICO
Except that 500 kcal of rice vs 500 kcal of steak will produce wildly different responses in adipose tissue, testosterone, and BMR
> What type of food you eat is outside of CICO
canola oil has a different effect on you than butter, so even in the same macro category calories fail to be useful
>And when it comes to weight loss/gain CICO is ALWAYS right.
this is a literal tautology
>canola oil has a different effect on you than butter, so even in the same macro category calories fail to be useful
citation needed. youre just making it up as you go.
>Except that 500 kcal of rice vs 500 kcal of steak will produce wildly different responses in adipose tissue, testosterone, and BMR
>makes insane and unrealistic explample to prove his point
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15277154/
Macros barely matter at all, when kcals and protein is equated.
>citation needed
lmao go suck off a scientist you little gay
>youre just making stuff up
do the experiment yourself, I eat 1000 'calories' a day MORE now than when I was 50 lbs heavier and I wasn't outrageously fat. Difference is no sneedoil and reduced carbs (all from either lactose or occassionally honey/maple syrup)
of course youre one of those who dont believe in research. that explains why your takes arent only wrong, but also retarded
>Difference is no sneedoil and reduced carbs
>thinks sneedoils are bad for you
yup, you dont read research. i guess youtube vids and your personal experience trumps everything
>of course youre one of those who dont believe in research
research is LITERALLY funded by the companies that make g0yslop, and they use dogshit methodology and low quality evidence to try to make the case that g0yslop is 'le heart healthy' when its both self evident, and logically incontrivertible that humans are DESIGNED (by the LORD) to eat meat primarily and other foods as a cope (and seethe) when meat is scarce.
>I'm a fucking moron, I love gargling technocrat cum and I have severe retardation
Yes I know
>research is LITERALLY funded by the companies that make g0yslop, and they use dogshit methodology and low quality evidence to try to make the case that g0yslop is 'le heart healthy' when its both self evident, and logically incontrivertible that humans are DESIGNED (by the LORD) to eat meat primarily and other foods as a cope (and seethe) when meat is scarce.
if you cant weed out the bad research, you must litterally have room temp IQ. just cause some research is bad, doesnt mean it all is. and why does every research denier not know they ALL have to state who pays them, who they work for and what they do? youd know this if you actually read research. Every person ive met who say "research is wrong" are all people who have absolutely no idea about. it never fails to be a case of dunning kruger.
>if you cant weed out the bad research
all of the 'plants good meat bad' research is dogshit, thanks for agreeing with me
>it never fails to be a case of dunning kruger
I'm literally 30-40% smarter than you, I can tell by how brown and low IQ you write sentences and express thoughts
>plants good meat bad
that is pushed in reasearch, but if you read more of it youll see that meat isnt bad, and plants are still good. the reason why meat is associated with some issues is cause people who eat a lot of meat tend to eat little to no vegetables, but when vegetable intake is equated they see no issues with meat intake.
some agendas are being pushed in research, but you can quickly find issues with them.
>I'm literally 30-40% smarter than you, I can tell by how brown and low IQ you write sentences and express thoughts
hilarious, im not even tan
>research is LITERALLY funded by the companies that make g0yslop
>weeb pic
yeah sure bud. somehow CICO is used in studies and in actual scientific weight loss programs ("scientific" as in not created by meme chiropractors), but it's still bullshit because… because it just is ok?? all of the science, ALL of it is paid for by big goyslop and big CICO, only Dr. ~~*Berg*~~ is not at all driven by profits and retains complete integrity (and devotion to scientology).
>somehow CICO is used in studies
Doesn't mean its not tautological, and ALL real world data shows massive relapse raters wrt weight, short term interventions almost universally fail to cause LASTING weight loss because you are essentially 'starving' yourself thin which causes your body to rebound once restrictions are removed
what is documented to work is eliminating plant foods
>Doesn't mean its not tautological, and ALL real world data shows massive relapse raters wrt weight, short term interventions almost universally fail to cause LASTING weight loss because you are essentially 'starving' yourself thin which causes your body to rebound once restrictions are removed
this has absolutely nothing to do with CICO being correct or wrong. relapse stems from behaviour and people not knowing how to lose weight
>relapse stems from behaviour and people not knowing how to lose weight
its because 'counting calories' is starvation, and carbs are starvation food, if they ate only meat they wouldn't relapse because they wouldn't be malnourished (from carbs)
you do know that there are plenty of keto people who relapse, and some even gain weight? are you dense on purpose?
I'm not advocating keto
I think the issue is around plant foods being nutritionally devoid and causes people to binge, if unprocessed you cant get a healthy amount of calories without other issues from them, and if processed become incredibly obesigenic
keto by itself isnt much better since it only focuses on 'carbs' and allows massively processed junk food which often contain plants
oh i see, you're just a carnitard. "if only people ate only meat, America wouldn't be obese, plants make you fat", uh huh.
not a carnivore either, I drink milk and eat some honey/fruit occasionally
but its a fact that plant foods are the road by which people arrive at obesity
>but its a fact that plant foods are the road by which people arrive at obesity
>fact
yeah, see all those fat vegans and indians
vegans and indians are stunted and unhealthy, with low energy since their BMR is shot to shit, and a lot of them are fat regardless
basically if you starve long enough you will technically lose weight, but you will be sickly and/or underdeveloped
why did you link that study, nobody was talking about the glycemic index
The fun thing about CICO is that it will always be true and yet it is utterly meaningless.
>tranime poster with a braindead take
ywnbaw
>penultimate
The only people I ever see or hear using this word are people who don't know what it means, and your post is no exception. Kys, moron.
>usually
you mean the energy needed to digest and absorption rate?Do you also lift weights in gram increments retard? Too much tracking aka being autistic doesnt matter cause it doesnt affect that much. Muh 50 kcal difference.moron go harder than last time
>you mean the energy needed to digest and absorption rate?
protein takes 30% of its 'energy' content to digest it, and further more some foods just dont cause your body to produce testosterone or other hormones meaning your BMR will tank if you eat them
>other hormones meaning your BMR will tank if you eat them
youre just making stuff up
bald ruddy faced loser reeeeing about muh carbs. peanut butter and jelly
Ah yes the YouTube thumbnail with a picture of a model and the same picture edited so she looks fat. Real science here
Rice. Not "Refined Rice". There's a huge difference
Not mentioned and im not making this up he had to whip the subjects into following the diet.
Experience trumps any other type of knowledge, and in my experience I haven't found carbohydrates to be fattening at all as I eat plenty of sugar, wheat, rice, potatoes and fruit throughout the day and have a stable weight.
Now mention your insulin resitence levels
I don't know them because I'm not fat or sick.
Neither am i but im not ignorant on the subject lije you just admited to being.
C-carnivore bros?
He looks like a gay on the left and a normal guy on the right.
I don't want to be a sickly asian, I want to be a huge mongorian
Both Mongols and their horses were noted to be small retard.
Genghis Khan literally slaughtered all the Mongols of one tribe taller than an age cart wheel and only incorporated the midget survivors into his army, he actually decreased averaged Mongol height from its already small height.
Average Mongol is shorter than Ham Chinese and Han Chinese from Shandong are taller than most white people
>Asians have extremely low height
>low height is correlated with low dairy/meat available for children
wow starvation ended and they became just like everyone else
>it's muh carbs and not the calories
Why are brainlets allowed here?
Genghis Khan purged tall Mongol men when he was uniting Mongol tribes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measuring_against_the_linchpin
>Genghis Khan used this brutal method against Jamukha's coalition of tribes in 1202. All male captives were forced to walk beside a wagon wheel. If their heads were higher than the linchpin (a pin inserted at the end of the axle) they were immediately executed. The wagon wheel was a large wheel used to transport yurts and other goods. This technique was probably used to preempt against revenge attacks that were common between tribes at this time. If one tribe were to attack another, there was always the possibility that there would be a revenge attack soon after. By eliminating the older males, there was less chance of a counterattack from tribes that were in perpetual conflict due to centuries of distrust and robbery.
This picture of tall nomads are actually Kazakhs, not Mongols. Kazakhs are literally mongrel mutt rapebabies of Mongol men raping Indo-European Caucasian women. Kazakhs have paternal Mongol Y Haplogroup C2 while they have maternal Indo-European Caucasian mtdna haplogroups.
>killed the lanklets to make himself taller
BASED
* tall nomads that gets frequently reposted
When I was in China I told the woman I was staying with that I wanted to eat less fried food because it's not good for my health, and I'd rather eat more salad. We went to the market and got vegetables for it, then I made myself a nice salad. I tried to get her to eat it but she couldn't get over the fact that I was eating leafy greens and other vegetables raw, like it literally caused her brain to stop working. I gave her half the salad and she insisted on stir frying it before she would eat it.
Wow so they just don't do Salads or see vegetables as stuff you can eat as they are for a snack?
Any more stories? It's interesting getting out far from the west and seeing how different people can be.
Not eating raw veggies was the norm in the West too until after WW2. Read some old cook books.
The german word for vegetables 'Gemüse' comes from 'Mus' (mush) because that's what they were traditionally cooked into.
Test
This isn't the first time I've seen brain damaged ketoschizos suggest Japanese people secretly eat a ketogenic diet. As a dude who toured that country for over a month that's hilarious to me.
IIFYM if you want to gain or lose weight.
Going on clown diets for health will only make your health worse long term giving you food phobias, ruining your mental health and social life.