it does wonders for me mentally and socially but i have heard it affects testosterone and prolactin levels. Any anecdotal experience?
Thoughts on kratom?
it does wonders for me mentally and socially but i have heard it affects testosterone and prolactin levels. Any anecdotal experience?
Feels nice but makes me constipated
>dude just do opioids you'll feel better lmao
People will bag on you for it but it works hell of alot better than SSRIS and other shit they give you. Nothing worked for me, until I took kratom. Now I dont lay in bed contemplating suicide all the time. I can work,socialize and feel decent enough to make a pot of coffee. No SSRI did that for me.
yah but it tanks ur test
Not really. The evidence on that is weak and it's also not "tanking " it. More like a small , negligible amount. If you lift, sleep well and work out , and eat right, it wont matter.
Lol of course it does, it has the same mechanism of action as any other mu-opoid agonist.
The flimsy evidence of 19 people using kratom in a 1 mg equivalent dosage not affecting testosterone is the only citable source of evidence on ncbi.
Okay I challenge you to find me a study that shows that moderate kratom use has "tanking" effects on test. My lifts still go up and I take it . I also train in mma
They don't do a ton of trials with kratom because it's not a regulated substance. And plus, the burden of proof is on you that it wouldn't suppress testosterone.
Anecdotally, look at /r/kratom, about people who complain about sex drive issues, low lab test results, etc. Surely, hundreds of people complaining about the same issue can't be fallacious.
Also, what are your major lifts and your numbers? Im curious because when I take kratom regularly, I feel like i'm more likely to stall.
I think regardless if you’re constantly taking a sedative your performance and results will suffer. No different than weed really, just more mild in effects. Yes some guys on steroids can get good results in spite of weed and kratom too I’m sure but the average guy will be affected adversely and that’s a fact
burden of proof is on you, since you're making the claim gay
There's tons of literature and a few case studies of opoids and kratom reducing testosterone.
It's really not that hard to find google "kratom" "testosterone" ncbi. The research is sparse.
Anecdotally, there are dozens upon dozens of people on reddit, youtube, social media platforms who have shared hypogonadal bloodwork following kratom use.
How much do you take, and do you take it daily? I'm addicted to it and at one point I was literally taking 50 grams in a day, but I've lowered that to probably below 20 but I haven't been weighing it in a while. Do you notice any negative effects? This is me
so I'm definitely not thrilled to be using it still but just like you, it was the only thing that got me to keep a job longer than a couple months and helped me stop drinking. At this point though all of those positives are gone for me so I haven't worked in like two or three years and just take it to not feel like shit
does it not fuck with your sex drive? maybe that is a completely independent side effect from how it affects your testosterone but it was worrisome enough for me to stop completely. I say if you don't want to squander your gains then take caffeine for energy and use ZMA, kava, sleep aids, ashwagandha, etc for stress and anxiety relief
It does make me less horny. Not completely but I get horny less. When it wears off tho I get horny again
Interesting. Maybe I'll start taking it again once or twice a week. How often do you use? what strains? how long have you been on it?
Use GREEN kratom. It's by far the best, most energizing, and euphoric. Find a good vendor. Happyhippo is one . Green mengda, green Borneo, both are good. Anything green.
what are your lifts ? if you take kratom, tell me your lifts, i'm legitimately curious if it has a testosterone lowering effect.
I can bench 250, dl 410, and leg press a shit ton. It doesnt effect my lifts personally but I'm a square jawed, harry man who always put on muscle quickly.
I have some green maeng da but its what gave me ED for a few days
This for me but with social anxiety and phenibut.
Anecdotal experience was that it felt nice although a bit disconnected from things when used too much. I don't use it now because I literally didn't get an erection for 4 days after taking it for 2 days in a row. Not worth it compared to the stress relief of exercise. Maybe try kava, that doesn't seem to affect testosterone and isn't addictive.
my main problem with this shit is that it has a very very long half-life, at least 24h. I take it in the afternoons after my workouts to chill and stuff, but I noticed that it considerably slows my digestion for the next day. I dont really feel the other effects tho, in the beginning I felt light headed and stuff, but probably built up a tolerance for that by now.
I want to quit tho, I burnt myself with opioids in the past, and even tho the literature says its not as addictive because it interacts differently with the MOR, I still dont trust it. I get mild withdrawal symptoms which I know too well when I dont take it daily. Dont fuck with opioids boys.
what are your lifts (bench, squat, dead)?
do you think it hurts ur test
not that impressive, 85kg for 5 BP
130kg squat for 7
I dont deadlift anymore, can pull 140, probably much more tho.
well, opioids generally fuck with your hormones, but the active components of kratom is much weaker than for example morphine and the other opiates, so I wouldnt stress about that too much. getting hooked on this shit, fucking with your natural reward and motivation pathways in your brain is much-much worse long term.
what's your body weight ?
i'm addicted to adderall and i take like 50-60 mg a day and want to get off of it. I've tried kratom before and can quit it easily. That's my predicament.
89kg around 15-16 bf%.
yeah I fucked with uppers too, never that long to get hooked up on them, but didnt really have a problem quitting them. they really fuck with your sleep so that would be my main concern.
yeah, when I run out of kratom I have I probably will quit too for good, the next couple days wont feel that good probably, I just really hope that the withdrawal wont be that severe, my main concern is really the long half life of this shit.
I think it's objectively better for you than alternatives like alcohol or actual opiates but I have mixed feelings about it
for the love of god guys, please learn from my mistakes. you can try and fuck with any drugs if you want, but not with opioids. please.
you probably took real opioids not kratom.
doesnt really matter, the effects are the same.
That's like saying that coffee is the same as meth
jesus dude, they interact with the same receptors, have the same effects. no, it's not the same. coffeine is an adenozine receptor antagonist, meth is an adrenerg stimulant.
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Kratom is pretty benign if you do it wisely and don't get addicted, it doesn't help me mentally per se but it doesn't fuck my mind up like other stuff do, I can smoke weed and tobacco and do kratom but everything else either exacerbates my mental bullshit I have going on or fucks my body up too hard.
wat about testosterone
I'm actually OK on test I'm on a gram a week right now and have never had a problem doing gear I'm also on some deca and anadrol. I can do big doses of tren even and I'm good too. Most stimulants and alcohol are really and truly what fuck with my mind. My mind can not handle chemical stimulation whatsoever.
I've tried kratom a few times but to get actually high you have to take a fuck load and it made me sick every time. Ive been taking HHC now on rest days and man does it knock me on my ass like regular D9.
I like thco better than hhc are you drug tested? I get a live resin pen blended with thco that's pretty badass.
Nah I work from home so I never have to worry about getting tested. Thco is great for edibles but my god does it smell like cat piss when you vape it. I honestly just use it to thin out mixes if I run out of cbt.
Yeah the 3chi thco in particular tastes pretty funky to me, I prefer flower in blunts but the accessibility of this stuff makes it cool.
It's making me bald and quitting was shitty for like at least two months last time I quit
how old are you? how do you not genetically predisposed to balding?
what about ur test lvls and gains
25, and I'm possibly predisposed to balding, but my brothers are not balding at all and it only started after I started taking a lot of kratom. I haven't done bloodwork to check test levels but I'm definitely physically weaker, like to the point that I think my muscle is degrading like rhabomyolysis style
Anything causing a spike in dopamine will also in turn fuck with prolactin
Should at first theoretically lower it, but after it wears off(specially after long term use) it will shoot up
Prolactin inhibiting hormone is actually dopamine, thats why p5p or pramipex/l-dopa helps lower it.
Stupid question that I should probably just google, but: what exactly does prolactin do?
makes you able to produce milk from your nipples
Best pre workout, but kills my appetite and I'm mad addicted. great for pain and stopped me from drinking so the trade off is worth it for me I'm a junkie retard so if I can maintain being sober with the exception of this stuff I will continue
i worked with a guy who started taking kratom. he'd take it work and say how it was a wonder supplement. eventually he started constantly getting all sick at work and blaming it on lyme disease. and he looked like an actual heroin addict. eventually he went to rehab and then moved out of the state. i don't know if all that shit was only from abusing kratom or he started using regular opiates as well though.
CBD works better for me and doesnt fuck my test or has me feeling lika a zombie