Santa is real. Denying it is just a conspiracy theory. Like what, you think that all parents just go out and buy the presents for their kids? And that they're ALL in on some sort of santa coverup for no reason? Dont you think that sounds a little ridiculous?
Achilles was very real, and the entirety of the trojan war. Up until Heinrich Schliemann discovered Troy, everyone in the academic world thought that it was just myth, but Schliemann changed everything and everyone that rejected the truth of the trojan war had to reconsider their position.
Christians are atheists. >That was an outrage. The Romans wouldn’t have minded Christians performing their own rites and following their own dictates, but only if they didn’t deny the Roman gods. Since they did, instead of getting "the cult of Christ" fitted into the grand scheme of things, they were denounced as atheists.
The pseuds, maybe. Faith is beyond religion fairy tales. Atheism is a reaction, as is its opposite, superstition. Monotheism and polytheism is a different expression of the same thing. If you call anything that goes against your religion atheism, you have superstition.
I recommend reading Plutarch's on superstition and you will realize the two terms (polytheism and atheism) are not the same in any way or form. You will (probably) also realize the good in having faith.
The most believable scenario is the Trojan horse being an allegory for "if it's too good to be true, it probably is". Additionally, in ancient Greece cheating was allowed but carried the stigma of admitting to being lesser. In that sence, the Achaeans admitted to being weaker than the Trojans by resorting to tricks in order to win the war. HOWEVER. The Trojan horse is never mentioned in the Iliad, the only time Homer speaks about the Trojan horse is in passing in the Odyssey. We know about the Trojan horse mostly from Virgil Aeneid. Though the myth of the horse is most likely still passed on from oral Greek tradition, the Roman culture considered scheming and tricks as a great shame, which is why Odysseus is portrayed as a hero by the Greeks and as a trickster by the Romans.
cont. To add to my point about cheating in ancient Greece, resorting to "dishonorable" tricks to win a fight, argument or anything inbetween meant that the "cheater" admits that he could not win fair and square and thus is not superior to his opponent even though he bested him, albeit unfairly. It's a different approach to the might makes right mindset that was prevalent in much of the ancient world.
I chose to believe that the events (exept the gods) depicted in the Iliad are mostly true and that the main figures did indeed exist.
Hercules was also real, he was an individual that probably lived 1000 BCE and his legend was cross culture among, greek and germanic.
Most of the greek, german and roman myths are based on Indo-European Myths.
Yes it does. I'll translate almost word for word:
ΒΥΒΩΝ (Bybon) ΤΕΤΕΡΕΙ (single) ΧΕΡΙ (handedly) ΥΠΕΡΚΕΦΑΛΑ (over his head) Μ (me) ΥΠΕΡΕΒΑΛΕΤΟ (lifted) Ο ΦΟ[Λ]Α (of Phola)
>The Viking at Standford Bridge took on 35 men single-handedly
Oh, he fought 20+ dudes with one-arm, then? >Audie Murphy held off a German advance using a destroyed tank's mounted .50 MG single handedly
I wonder if it was his left or right hand..?
Not the guy you're responding to but holy fuck you're a brainlet. Do you think "single-handedly" means "without help from anyone else" in every language? It's an English expression retard.
ΤΕΤΕΡΕΙ ΧΕΡΙ specifically refers to a single hand.
I specifically mentioned that my translation would be almost word for word for this very reason. I can not translate it in English without changing the wording to fit the English language. I'll translate exactly what is written on the stone so that you get my point:
ΒΥΒΩΝ (Bybon) ΤΕΤΕΡΕΙ (single) ΧΕΡΙ (arm) ΥΠΕΡΚΕΦΑΛΑ (over head) Μ (me) ΥΠΕΡΕΒΑΛΕΤΟ (lifted) Ο ΦΟ[Λ]Α (of Phola)
The term "single handedly" can be used to describe both "with one arm" and "alone" in English but the original text is in ancient Greek, not English. There's no room for speculation on what is written, the text is completely straightforward. You can doubt the story all you want but not the text. Wanker.
Dyeus pater isn't a thunder god, he's a sky god and not a chief god
thunder gods come from the near east (like yahweh before the garden gnomes appropriated him) >inb4 does this mean all european thunder gods come from the near east
yes. They were probably spread to the north during the neolithic migrations
nta but don't beat around the bush, BCE is just the pc version of BC. If it isn't try centering it around a different starting year and see how many people adopt it.
This. And the French revolutionaries already tried this with their autismo pseudoscience obsessed "Church of Reason" and the calendar that they came up with.
This. And the French revolutionaries already tried this with their autismo pseudoscience obsessed "Church of Reason" and the calendar that they came up with.
Ya what's so common about the common era anyways? Like did they even think about this shit lmao
Also anno domini sounds way cooler than common era
the scenes of goku training in the spaceship on the way to namek was a big influence in me getting in shape. its so motivating to see how significantly his power increased in just one week on the ship because of how hard he pushed himself.
he basically worked himself to near-death, had a senzu bean, and then repeated. which i guess in real life is like roiding for quicker recovery.
Goku used to be inspiring to me (and still is tbh) despite the hacks because compared to the capeshit alternatives he was the only super strong guy on TV who earned his strength with training. So good.
The big extreme for that feel around that time was Rock Lee from Naruto. But of course we know how much he wound up flopping.
rewatching DBZ recently had made me addicted to just hearing men grunt extensively. ive looked for good youtube videos of this sort of thing. the grunts are never extensive, and never isolated.
>Believing that heroes were made up >Not realising the heroes of old were deifications of the great men of times now lost >Not understanding that heroes were the great men of history which represent the taming of the natural order >Not understanding that the heroes were very real and we owe everything to them >Not understanding that myth is more real than history
The real heroes were men and women who made medical and Technological advances. Whoever figured out domestication and breeding of plant's was a genius.
The person who knew how to work out times and dating systems. The person who developed algorithms and man who worked out metallurgy.
Not some self-righteous fuck who plundered and raped in the name of some God or destiny.
>The real heroes were men and women who made medical and Technological advances.
You mean Apollo and Asclepius? >Whoever figured out domestication and breeding of plant's was a genius.
You mean Demeter and Persephone? >The person who knew how to work out times and dating systems.
You mean Chronos? >The person who developed algorithms and man who worked out metallurgy.
You mean Hephaestus?
The Greeks valued the importance of these concepts so much they worshipped Gods and Titans in their sake. The hero myth seeks to inspire at times of strife and war (something that was constant in the ancient world) and impose values to the uneducated masses in the form of a simple story. You type like a nerd that brews undeserved hatred against those you deem superior to you.
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cont. Venturing into the unknown or standing up against the unconquered is the essence of most hero myths. What is projected throughout is a courage exemplified by those who put themselves forward, benefitting their society in the process. In Mesopotamia Gilgamesh began as an arrogant ruler that journeyed with his new feral bro (sent specifically by the Gods to give a purpose to Gilgamesh) to slay the Demon Humbaba of the Cedar forest for the glory of Uruk. In the case of Theseus he stepped in to reclaim the throne of Athens and stop the oppression imposed by the Cretans in the form of a sacrifice of the brightest Athenians to the monster that was the Minotaur (though that myth is likely Mycenaean propaganda against the previous strongest ruling city state of Crete). And guess what happened when arrogance took over the self righteous fuck you describe. They were struck down. The Greeks figured that out early in their mythos, Bellerophon, one of the earliest if not THE earliest hero in Greek mythos, was struck down when he pushed his luck too far and tried to ride Pegasus to Olympus. That's the essence of hubris.
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I do.
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cont. Venturing into the unknown or standing up against the unconquered is the essence of most hero myths. What is projected throughout is a courage exemplified by those who put themselves forward, benefitting their society in the process. In Mesopotamia Gilgamesh began as an arrogant ruler that journeyed with his new feral bro (sent specifically by the Gods to give a purpose to Gilgamesh) to slay the Demon Humbaba of the Cedar forest for the glory of Uruk. In the case of Theseus he stepped in to reclaim the throne of Athens and stop the oppression imposed by the Cretans in the form of a sacrifice of the brightest Athenians to the monster that was the Minotaur (though that myth is likely Mycenaean propaganda against the previous strongest ruling city state of Crete). And guess what happened when arrogance took over the self righteous fuck you describe. They were struck down. The Greeks figured that out early in their mythos, Bellerophon, one of the earliest if not THE earliest hero in Greek mythos, was struck down when he pushed his luck too far and tried to ride Pegasus to Olympus. That's the essence of hubris.
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I do.
Unfathomably based, even us mere men can rise to the image of gods
>The real heroes were men and women who made medical and Technological advances.
You mean Apollo and Asclepius? >Whoever figured out domestication and breeding of plant's was a genius.
You mean Demeter and Persephone? >The person who knew how to work out times and dating systems.
You mean Chronos? >The person who developed algorithms and man who worked out metallurgy.
You mean Hephaestus?
The Greeks valued the importance of these concepts so much they worshipped Gods and Titans in their sake. The hero myth seeks to inspire at times of strife and war (something that was constant in the ancient world) and impose values to the uneducated masses in the form of a simple story. You type like a nerd that brews undeserved hatred against those you deem superior to you.
cont. Venturing into the unknown or standing up against the unconquered is the essence of most hero myths. What is projected throughout is a courage exemplified by those who put themselves forward, benefitting their society in the process. In Mesopotamia Gilgamesh began as an arrogant ruler that journeyed with his new feral bro (sent specifically by the Gods to give a purpose to Gilgamesh) to slay the Demon Humbaba of the Cedar forest for the glory of Uruk. In the case of Theseus he stepped in to reclaim the throne of Athens and stop the oppression imposed by the Cretans in the form of a sacrifice of the brightest Athenians to the monster that was the Minotaur (though that myth is likely Mycenaean propaganda against the previous strongest ruling city state of Crete). And guess what happened when arrogance took over the self righteous fuck you describe. They were struck down. The Greeks figured that out early in their mythos, Bellerophon, one of the earliest if not THE earliest hero in Greek mythos, was struck down when he pushed his luck too far and tried to ride Pegasus to Olympus. That's the essence of hubris.
Yes brother, no problem. However I wouldn't recommed it if you are not done with 1/2/3 or close to it at least. If that's the case I would recommend a 3 day full body hypertrophy routine instead until you hit those numbers and then you can move on to more volume work. >Day 1.
Db pullovers 3x10
Bb rows 3x8
Bench 4x6
Db flyes 3x10
Db press 3x10
Cb Curls 3x6
Cb wrist curls 3x15 >Day 2.
Squat 3x6
Calf raises 3x25
Front squats 3x8
Ohp 3x6
Lat raises 3x10
Bb shrugs 3x15 >Day 3.
Cb Curls 4x8 (lower weight higher reps)
Db front raises 4x16
Seated triceps extensions 4x10
Cb wrist curls 4x15 >Day 4.
Rest >Day 5.
Same as day 1 >Day 6.
Rest >Day 7.
Same as day 2 >Day 8.
Rest
And then repeat.
Hello BAP, cheesed to meet you
Ironically have not read Bronze Age Mindset and I feel like dumbfucks like solbrah and liverkang have ran that concept to the fucking ground like the uninspired grifters they are. Is it still worth a read or am I better off just Knowing Myself™?
>Ironically have not read Bronze Age Mindset and I feel like dumbfucks like solbrah and liverkang have ran that concept to the fucking ground like the uninspired grifters they are. Is it still worth a read or am I better off just Knowing Myself™?
BAP is unironically very well read and the real deal. Def worth the time imo, even if you don't like or agree with that premium schizo, Bronze Age Mindset is good fun. Give it a go fren.
>Ironically have not read Bronze Age Mindset and I feel like dumbfucks like solbrah and liverkang have ran that concept to the fucking ground like the uninspired grifters they are. Is it still worth a read or am I better off just Knowing Myself™?
BAP is unironically very well read and the real deal. Def worth the time imo, even if you don't like or agree with that premium schizo, Bronze Age Mindset is good fun. Give it a go fren.
Seconding BAP and BAM. BAP is a great shitposter and ally and very, very well read. BAM is a fun book and should not be taken as a guide but will certainly help you think outside of certain boxes. The podcast is fucking hilarious.
1 year ago
Fuck the Globohomo
>The podcast is fucking hilarious.
It is certainly the best comedy and calypso show in the word atm. give it a try, your sides will leave you more than once!
Thank you Guts anon I'm still using your routine in my home gym. I cant replicate the cable related workouts so I just use my free dumbbells for the cable wrist curls and regular curls. I'm still making decent gains and in a recent lifting competition with my friends, I outlifted all my friends even the ones who mog me, kinda weird. I cannot thank you enough god speed Mr Guts anon
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Anon... CB stands for curl bar... That's a mistake on my part tho, I should have specified. Glad you are making good gains friend, godspeed.
1 year ago
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Nah it's my fault for being a dumbass and assuming cb means cable curls for some reason. Godspeed anon don't apologize for someone else being a retard. Much love, no homo
1 year ago
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>Rome pic
Vouching for your success even more now.
Bronze Age Mindset or BAP in generally really doesn't promote some weird primal grifting though. BAP doesn't go on about carnivore or primal. He even said in Caribbean Rhythms that he thinks the high protein intake thing is overrated. I'd read it. And I'm someone who refuses to read philosophy and stuff on principle.
>Ironically have not read Bronze Age Mindset and I feel like dumbfucks like solbrah and liverkang have ran that concept to the fucking ground like the uninspired grifters they are. Is it still worth a read or am I better off just Knowing Myself™?
BAP is unironically very well read and the real deal. Def worth the time imo, even if you don't like or agree with that premium schizo, Bronze Age Mindset is good fun. Give it a go fren.
Thank you friend, I will give it a shot.
gutsanon do you still train with the metal pole thing out in the woods? btw your phuzeek is looking juicier than the last time I saw you post, mirin
I'm not that guy, he's the original gutsanon. Iirc he's been posting for longer than me
>arrogant
He wasn't arrogant. He conquered the 4 quarters and was godlike but he knew death eventually would await him and everything he achieved would be in vain
His fear of death began after Enkidu's demise, which kickstarted his search of immortality. I was referring to the first tablet of the epic where Gilgamesh is fucking around with the citizens of Uruk. The following is a quick summary from Wikipedia >The story introduces Gilgamesh, king of Uruk. Gilgamesh, two-thirds god and one-third man, is oppressing his people, who cry out to the gods for help. For the young women of Uruk this oppression takes the form of a droit du seigneur, or "lord's right", to sleep with brides on their wedding night. For the young men (the tablet is damaged at this point) it is conjectured that Gilgamesh exhausts them through games, tests of strength, or perhaps forced labour on building projects.
Later the wild man Enkidu is sent by the Gods as an equal to tame Gilgamesh's arrogance and help him find a purpose through the Power of Friendship™. The guy had to be stopped cause he was fucking all the women and cucking every man in Uruk, kek what a lad.
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Seconding BAP and BAM. BAP is a great shitposter and ally and very, very well read. BAM is a fun book and should not be taken as a guide but will certainly help you think outside of certain boxes. The podcast is fucking hilarious.
Will definitely save some time for it, thanks anon.
And humility is opposed to hubris, which is not a tragic human flaw but a virtue that is godlike.
The Word tells a story not of "gods" but of the supreme Lord of all, and many arrogant rulers who are struck down in sequence.
Gilgamesh is a romantic epic from ancient Sumeria, emergent city-states such as Uruk and Ur were the context in which Abraham was born and raised to go and make his pact with God.
The Greeks had these gods and stories but they were simply inventions of the imagination.
Eventually, the Greeks realized that Christ is King, leaving behind myth for something far greater.
what are you on about ?Based Christian Fathers told people to first get to know Homer before touching the Bible .
Jesus Christ came right after the failure of Mithridates - just when the Heroic Age seemed to have been in vain .
Jesus is the Ultimate Hero closing up an Age and opening up a new kind of greatness - Thus came the Age of The Saints ,
Gutsanon, why are you literally me? Across these threads I have seen that we share many common interests, hobbies, and opinions. Are you Literally Me, or am I Literally You...
So trve king. I wish I had a friend like you gutsanon. Alas, the endless electrical sea separates us all. Each of us anons are captains of our ships, each without a crew. We may sail by each other and wave, but we will never shake the other's hands.
I think Jesus Chrust was one of them. Imo, turning water into wine refers to irrigation. Turning stone to bread means agriculture. Plus he was a carpenter.
I'm guessing he meant that Jesus represented irrigation on top of everything else but I'm gonna go with the Divine Child archetype. He's already got a lot of Dionysian aspects to his image, irrigation being one of them would kind of detract from his other attributes.
See pic related of the difference in brain activity just from 20 min of walking. Actual intellectuals combined exercising and diet with intellectual pursuits. The idea that physical health and mental health should be separated is asinine and mid wit tier.
>“No man has the right to be an amateur in the matter of physical training. It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable.”- Socrates
>In Regimen II, Hippocrates prescribed moderate exercise because it warmed, thinned, and purged away the humor .Furthermore, he believed idleness (inactivity) and overpowering food consumption (compared with exercise) could lead to disease.
That's true. It's the same idea of soldiers going through bootcamp, where they're overwhelmed and forced to have their brains not be total useless morons like they could be in civilian life, or how if you let a child feel that what it does is not okay, it'll stop doing that thing.
Really, the world is filled with people who're just messing around and not really doing anything. It's the people going to a restaurant, eat and talk for several hours, and then come home and do nothing. It's the 'clubbers' who fuck and drink and do nothing.
It's the fat lesbian feminist basket-weaving majors who yell and 'protest' the most, but don't really do anything. Like, what does the protesting itself achieve? Protesting is basically a veiled form of self-fellating whining a child does, but because it comes from an adult, we sort of bend over backwards and let it happen. Because being an adult means you know what you're talking about, right?
>Really, the world is filled with people who're just messing around and not really doing anything. It's the people going to a restaurant, eat and talk for several hours, and then come home and do nothing. It's the 'clubbers' who fuck and drink and do nothing.
That's me, based
Let’s see
Achilles >hero of the Trojan war >such an absolute Uber chad everyone thought he was straight up immortal until he got an arrow shot in his foot >immortalised and remembered until the end of humanity
Guy who invented planting seeds >doomed humanity to eating gruel >is behind every single pandemic and overpopulation on the globe >no one remembers who is
Achilles >killed a bunch of people >neeted it up in his tent when he didn't get his favorite slave pussy >killed a prince and paraded his corpse around the city walls
grain guy >literal who
Yeah, hmmm I dunno man, seems kinda hard to pick
He had the choice between a short, exciting life that would bring eternal glory to his name, or he could leave Troy and live a long, meaningless existence. His mother wanted the latter, but Achilles chose the former.
Achilles >killed a bunch of people >neeted it up in his tent when he didn't get his favorite slave pussy >killed a prince and paraded his corpse around the city walls
grain guy >literal who
Yeah, hmmm I dunno man, seems kinda hard to pick
Achilles got killed because of hurdur honour after his bf got killed and princess bs.
Grain guy started civilisation and lived a humble life.
>Not some self-righteous fuck who plundered and raped in the name of some God or destiny.
NGMI also you're probably descended from those self-righteous fucks who raped and plundered. That's what winning looks like.
bro you sly all mad shit for someone who would be dead. If we were in the Stone Age I’d rape and murder you just to prove my point. Not so smart when you’re dead
>THE HOMERIC EPICS WERE NOT REAL, ACHILLES NEVER EXISTED >WHAT DO YOU MEAN TROY WAS A REAL PLACE AND THAT HOMER ACCURATELY DESCRIBED GRECIAN GEOGRAPHY >NOTHING HOMER SAID IS REAL BECUASE HE ACADEMICS SAID SO... OK?!
Even if they aren't real, their legend is and the legend is what inspires greatness. You see Hercules, the strongest man alive and you believe that there is such a thing as the strongest man, the concept has been made real to you and now you can pursue it. That's the hero, that's the miracle.
My interest in Ancient Greece and Ancient Greek religion skyrocketed the more I learned about the bronze age. This is when the set in stone stereotype of the golden century of Pericles (5th centurt bc) collapses and you see more aspects of Greece, one of them being bronze age tribes with no set religion, mostly cults and deities. You really start to see which aspects of life the Greeks appreciated most by which Gods appeared first, two of the earliest being Hermes (linear b ermaha) and Ares (linear b Are). Really interesting stuff. Also I'll share some interesting shit I noticed when I was a bit younger >Izanagi and Izanami's myth being extremely similiar to the story of Orpheus and Euridice >sons of the ruling God (Herakles, Thor, Susano'o) venturing out to kill a sea serpent (Hydra, Jormungandr, Yamata no Orochi) in the case of Herakles and Susano'o that serpent is multi headed. Also the fact that both Herakles and Susano'o began their quest for retribution (Herakles for killing his family, Susano'o for killing his sister's priestesses).
Amazing stuff really.
Depends, there are many aspects to ancient Greek literature both from contemporary research and ancient literature. What interests you brother, religion and mythology, history, philosophy or anthropology? I can share some of my favorite books if you are keen.
Chaoskampf (sky guy of kingship and civilisation punches water snake of lawlessness and nature) is such a fundamental part of Eurasian mythology and cultural foundation, but one rarely if ever see it mentioned in pop-mythology.
Yes, in Mesopotamian and PIE worship as well. Comparative mythology is so underrated it's criminal.
Start with The Greeks and Greek Civilization by Jacob Bruckhardt. Bruckhardt was a philologist and mentor to Nietzche. The book explains why Ancient Greece was the high point of human history and everything afterwards is a vague shadow of them. After that download some pdfs of Greek plays as reference material and read Nietzche's Birth of Tragedy
Plato is worth reading but also to be taken with many grains of salt
Chaoskampf (sky guy of kingship and civilisation punches water snake of lawlessness and nature) is such a fundamental part of Eurasian mythology and cultural foundation, but one rarely if ever see it mentioned in pop-mythology.
Depends, there are many aspects to ancient Greek literature both from contemporary research and ancient literature. What interests you brother, religion and mythology, history, philosophy or anthropology? I can share some of my favorite books if you are keen.
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Yes, in Mesopotamian and PIE worship as well. Comparative mythology is so underrated it's criminal.
I find more fascinating that the Titan Pantheon of defeated gods have pre-PIE names and the Hellenic Pantheon have IE names. Almost as if they were the gods of the defeated pre-pie peoples
Checked. I'm absolutely certain that this is the case for at least one PIE civilization but I don't remember which one. Patricide and replacement in general is essential to Greek mythos. After Christianity took over Europe the word daemon that was used to describe deities in ancient Greece and had a positive connotation suddenly was twisted to mean an evil spirit, in an anti pagan effort by the christians.
Why does this Greek seem different from other ancient greek? seems simpler/more retarded
For once it's a simple inscription on a rock and not an official oration speech or piece of literature, kind of like graffiti.
ΥΠΕΡΒΑΛΕΤΟ can be translated as thrown-over
It does, which it's strange cause throwing it would need even more explosive power than lifting it, especially over his head. If he did throw it "over the head" my best bet would be a ball backward throw using momentum.
>I'm absolutely certain that this is the case for at least one PIE civilization
Kronos for example is still the name for Time in greek as you must know. But Even ancient greeks were not 100% sure that the titan and the concept of time werethe same. they shared the name as Kronos (time) had degenerated into Χρονος pronounces K-H-ronos. Moreover, Kronos (the titan) holds a scythe and could represent the passage of time by seasons like the Harvest aligning him further with the concept of time.
>For once it's a simple inscription on a rock and not an official oration speech or piece of literature, kind of like graffiti.
makes sense, i think we tend to forget how the commoner rarely appears exact in history
>ball backward throw
I was thinking exactly the same, which for me makes it perhaps easier, since the arm would be more of a tensile device rather than the lifting force
>με
Μπάστιντ ;^) >i think we tend to forget how the commoner rarely appears exact in history
Check out the graffiti of Pompey if you want a good laugh.
>Check out the graffiti of Pompey if you want a good laugh.
I member when they were first posted here. I love them. >for me, it's "i fucked the barmaid"
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>Shitter, may everything turn out okay so that you can leave this place
Comradery among shitposters transcends time it seems
1 year ago
Anonymous
>My lusty son, with how many women have you had sexual relations?
Are ya winnin son?
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I like the graffiti art of the Crucifixion with Jesus as a cow. Arguably the first meme
I read an interesting theory that suggested the Trojans were actually Hittites, or at least an Anatolian people with a close connection. Hittite records mention a city to the west called Wilusa (Illium) foreign enemies known as the Akkihaya (Acheans,) while that famous Egyptian peace treaty mentions a Hittite ally known as Drdny (Dardans)
they weren't though, we know this
also most greek gods are near eastern in origin, their names do not correspond with their nature (see zeus)
Not to mention Mycenaeans descend from Minoans and we have no proof of anyone in the balkans in Early/Middle bronze age having gods similar to Greek gods
>*Dyēus was the Sky or Day conceived as a divine entity, and thus the dwelling of the gods, the Heaven.[7] As the gateway to the deities and the father of both the Divine Twins and the goddess of the Dawn (*H2éwsōs), *Dyēus was a prominent deity in the Proto-Indo-European pantheon.[17][18] He was however likely not their ruler or the holder of the supreme power like Zeus and Jupiter.[7]
Apollo is the equivalent of the sky/day god, not zeus. zeus is a thunder god much more similar to canaanite/middle eastern gods
you got filtered
>More likely to be the same descent rather than one coming from the other
already two studies proving they are homogeneous. Lazaridis 2017 and Clemente 2021. And there's a new study coming from Reich soon that will include Mycenaeans
So why are there such clear cognates in all of the indo-European civilisations? Are you one of these Mark Brahmin types?
>name is the same therefore the god is the same despite being literally different
are you retarded?
I got filtered when you are the one who thinks near-east thunder gods spread to every IE civilization?
Apollo is associated with the sun and day, not the sky.
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If you want to literally talk about the sky god, that would be Ouranos (Ουρανός) which literally translates to "Sky"
pleb
>near-east thunder gods spread to every IE civilization?
IE civilization is a nomadic culture without written language an no advanced technology or even weaponry. Anything more than that, especially non-nomadic, is not IE civilization
it's as much IE as much as Sahel is French because they speak French
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Ouranos is not a IE word, "pleb"
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retard I'm talking about the god himself
how low is our IQ?
what's next, saying DPKR is a democracy because they have "democratic" in their name? fucktard
I don't think you'll get a lot out of BAM, but it's good for dumb dumbs like me that is also an expansion to Beyond Good and Evil.
BAM is retarded, does not expand on anything nietzschean and doesn't even name the garden gnome. Its writer (costin alamariu) has a gnomish mentor and his brother is a banker
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your arrogance is blinding you. I'm done here
1 year ago
Anonymous
thread hit bump limit brah, aint much to do anyway lol
I don’t know what’s more fascinating, that cultures have evolved the same myths through convergence, or that there’s a very real possibility of a Palaeolithic proto-culture from which every society descends.
Either way, it gives me faith in the universal brotherhood of man
>did you really think people ran into battle in the front lines and managed to live?
Υοu clearly haven't read about Greek history then. I suggest you read about Kolokotronis, a modern Greek hero who charged headfirst in the battle and fucked turks in the ass
actual retard, the literal front lines on an engagement has nothing to do with actual skill. most of them are literally crashed to death or asphyxiated IF they are not killed by flailing weapons. Life is not a fucking movie you retard. Most heroes who participated in battles knew when to enter the battle to ensure the maximum chance of surviving and it was NEVER in the front lines. They always entered the battle near the middle or end of an engagement. I highly suggest you look into legit historical, reenactments of battles and you'll understand.
Alexander did that
If you really think ANYONE could battle in the front lines of a phalanx and literally live you are retarded. Alexander entered the battle on cavalry once enemy formations were broken. The "heroes" understood how to survive battles.
Where you there? It's not like they were fighting in a chaos, it's well documented that they had tactics and a lot of combat experience. Their role may be later exaggerated but they were famous at the time for a reason.
actual retard, the literal front lines on an engagement has nothing to do with actual skill. most of them are literally crashed to death or asphyxiated IF they are not killed by flailing weapons. Life is not a fucking movie you retard. Most heroes who participated in battles knew when to enter the battle to ensure the maximum chance of surviving and it was NEVER in the front lines. They always entered the battle near the middle or end of an engagement. I highly suggest you look into legit historical, reenactments of battles and you'll understand.
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If you really think ANYONE could battle in the front lines of a phalanx and literally live you are retarded. Alexander entered the battle on cavalry once enemy formations were broken. The "heroes" understood how to survive battles.
This is a level of retardation I didn't even know existed.
No heroes are real heroes. That's what a hero is, an idealization of something that cannot be real. There are just different degrees of idealization, some heroes are more real than others but none is 100% real
That's a complete waste of time. There will be a day that you won't have enough force or willingness to enforce your truth upon others, and you would most likely die and learnt nothing from life.
If you lived the life you wanted to live in the world you wanted to see, was it a waste of time? It sounds like the most effective and efficient use of time. Particularly if you don't care what the world looks like when you're gone.
You will never see the world you want to see unless you stop desiring things. The world will never accomodate your wants and needs, not even if you force everyone to follow you, there will always be something that will bother you because the problem lies within yourself, your constant feel of always wanting something else to be your way will be your cross your entire life until you learn to let things go and focus on being free from desire.
Because those tales were inspired by someone, at some point someone was so strong fit and handsome that they thought he must have been son of zeus and as a result they made myths about that one giga chad that was super fit.
Why even lift? To be so fit that people think that you must be the son of a god.
Ancient Greek haetos don't exi.......... >A short inscription from Olympia records of Bybon. The son of a man named Phola, Bybon was a weightlifter of remarkable capability. The inscriptionon a block of granite with two deep notches carved out of it, forming a handle so that the stone could be used as a free weight; weighing 143.5 kilograms (316 lb), the stone's carved inscription reads Bybon son of Phola has lifted me over his head
Everyone referring to the indo european mythology (anachronistic reconstruction, ie fairy tales) and comparing it to greek (given to us in written form by the people of its time) is a literal brainlet. It's like referring to game of thrones.
It's anachronistic to group the PIE tribes together in terms of shared cultural/ethnic identity. Nobody goes around thinking that the PIEs where one large group of people worshipping the same deities, just that unbeknownst to them they shared some common religious attributes, which we now realise carried well into the Iron Age.
Founding an art piece with a woman with a shield and making shit up how that is connected with Athena, or a woman with 4 hands and making other shit up how that is connected to some indian deity, is all at best just a theory.
When you see a woman with all of Athena's symbols in Greece you can say for sure, that is Athena because there is the written proof from people at the time with all the stories along side. Going back in time and saying this woman with a shield in modern day ukraine or something, is the indo european Athena and has the characterists of Athena is bullshit until proven otherwise. Think this about the indo european mythology, in what language is there proof about their stories? There are only references in languages invented way later, at least 1000 years later.
I agree with you on modern scholars stretching a myth thin just for the purpose of distinguishing vague similarities. But there are still deities and stories that can be seen throughout different tribes of the PIEs such as Dyeus, the slaying of a serpent god etc. Then again you could make the argument that some myths stretch far beyond the geographical limits of the PIE tribes.
>be me growing up enthralled by ancient greek history >filled with wonder over how advanced they must have been in their time >amazed by the culture and art considering the world around them >feel driven in life by their values and human pursuit >finally get to a point as an adult where I can visit greece >arrive in athens >instantly discover its an absolute shithole that shouldnt even count as europe (much closer to a middle eastern/north african country) >the people are repugnant, dirty, rude, and out of shape >look into modern greek history/politics (there must have been many afflictions to get them to this point) >nope its literally all on the people and their shitty ways >b-b-but it must be due to the muslims invading they must be vastly different on an ethnic level >nope its the same people as before
Fuck greece and fuck the western world for memeing their shit on a pedistal
Are you the reincarnation of that dumbass who got disappointed when the local greek people living in poverty weren't looking like the greek statues and then went on to write some fantasy about how he thought that greeks were extinct, or that ancient greeks were a different race or something retarded like that? >>look into modern greek history/politics (there must have been many afflictions to get them to this point)
You didn't look into shit lol
lmao no, its just that the genetic quality has shifted and moved away from Greece in the last 2500 years. I don't see Greeks with hair that is coloured like fire amongst their populace. Although, Ajax's bloodline seems to have passed down to the Bloatlord.
No it hasn't and the "fire" (lol) hair is you being a dumbass. The word is "fair" as is commonly translated or bright in the sense that which catches your attention as is the greek word.
Read descriptions of Alexander by his contemporaries and stay mad.
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Unironically looks like a friend of mine and I'm Greek. Every Greek blond person I've met has that same "honey" color to his hair, not the Scandinavian blond.
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>heterochromia
Literal anime protag god damn
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there are no descriptions of him by his contemporaries. However we have a painting of his from his father's grave
and an ivory statues of his from the same grave, Philip's (he has a beak nose lmao)
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there are no descriptions of him by his contemporaries. However we have a painting of his from his father's grave
and an ivory statues of his from the same grave, Philip's (he has a beak nose lmao)
and his contemporary bust. Also, his parent's faces AND his father's face reconstruction from his skull
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I've visited the museum at Vergina, it's one of the best and most well preserved museums in my opinion. If you get the chance to admire the tomb's facade (from which the fresco in
there are no descriptions of him by his contemporaries. However we have a painting of his from his father's grave
and an ivory statues of his from the same grave, Philip's (he has a beak nose lmao)
is depicted) alone and in silence it really is a sublime experience.
I read an interesting theory that suggested the Trojans were actually Hittites, or at least an Anatolian people with a close connection. Hittite records mention a city to the west called Wilusa (Illium) foreign enemies known as the Akkihaya (Acheans,) while that famous Egyptian peace treaty mentions a Hittite ally known as Drdny (Dardans)
Ha I was reading the same thing today
Hittites were more to the east, Trojans were probably Luwians or Lydians (or Lycians?)
I've read this theory too but another theory is that Trojans were a Greek colony that for one reason or another had a breaking out with the mainland Achaeans. It was then recorded by
the historians at the time because it was a considered a great sin for a colony city to oppose it's mother city. Look further into Greek migrations during the Bronze Age and the matter of "stenochoria".
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most accurate depiction right there.
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hair/eye color still wrong
there are no descriptions of him by his contemporaries. However we have a painting of his from his father's grave
and an ivory statues of his from the same grave, Philip's (he has a beak nose lmao)
not coping, but experience of being natty - I think a lot of ancient hellenes were in fantastic aesthetic shape, but not QUITE as good as our expectations of statues - almost all images of statues not only reflect light like statue material does, not flesh and skin, and they are almost always in favourable lighting to favour that view ofc.
TLDR; ancient hellenes would look aesthetic af in some lighting but for the most part look quite regular, basically pic related. aesthetic af in this lighting, but sure to look quite normal in bad lighting.
the insertions on their statues are great, but their muscle mass is natty attainable. They're just very low bodyfat especially in the abdomen area
go check out the Doryphoros statue
or Zeus/Poseidon as he's about to throw a bolt/trident
How about you find me a contemporary sculptor alive today that can match the anatomic accuracy, the play of surfaces, the movement and emotion that this sculpture possesses.
the ancient greeks also knew they weren't real. they still tried to be like them. whenever they had too much work to handle, they remembered Hercules, who had to literally carry the world and did so willingly. it inspired them to be better. you can do the same with people like Arnold or zyzz, or anyone else that inspires you.
Because you're missing the whole fucking point. Regardless if they were real or not, mythology, stories, and religion teach ideals to strife for. You've heard the phrase "it's about the journey, not the destination" - it's exactly that. Routines and rituals. Struggle and heroism. Resolve in the face of failure.
And if the discipline to achieve higher isn't enough: then let fear remind me what happens when you DON'T have an ideal: Look at the masses of weed smokers, obese pigs who steal our precious oxygen, the parasites who criticize those who work out in the modern age. You wanna be like them? You wanna fry your brain on social media? Or would you prefer striving towards an ideal? Stand in front of the mirror naked and ask yourself that question. Don't hide from who you are: accept reality and push forward. The suffering and pain will become bearable and worth it.
When I got out of the Army back in 2019, I came to my home city out of nostalgia despite falling in love living in the rural mountains. I regret it. All my friends I once knew were but a hollow shell(or were they always like that and I didn't notice?) Drinking right before the Monday workday, weed because 'anxiety', not being able to hold a job, over 300 Lbs+. I won't be surprised if I find out my friend is dead in ~10 years from 'covid'.
Working out forces you to realize the truth overtime: you need to sleep, eat correctly, drink water, not over-consume, not do drugs, have routines, take care of yourself and those you love. Besides, if you're not improving yourself, you're not living. You're already dead. As someone who had to overcome PTSD over the years from my 2019 Afghanistan deployment, depression, and my ADHD which I got medically diagnosed with 2 years ago from doing a sleep study with a brain scan: That's no way to live life.You have to keep going - one foot in front of the other. And bear the pain and watching others fail. Welcome to being human.
So here's the (You) you wanted so bad. Children get the paintball gun while they try to steal your pencils from your sleeve. Women were generally kept out of sight and dug canals for their bean farms. Men who point AK-47's at you get the 50 caliber. Your lack of morality, empathy for another human, and instant self-defense is textbook projection that it's not even funny - just sad. Regardless, you'll think back to that half-assed comment one day and realize the mistake you made and feel terrible. Let it be a learning experience. Or maybe you won't. That'll be the real hell: never becoming self conscious of your own actions and suffering in confusion until your dying breath. I borderline fucking pity you man. :
Kek fucking zogbot aww did killing kids fuck you up? Worse than a moron
You're a pathetic wastrel that enjoys your quality of life solely because we do what we do around the globe. Assuming you're either an insipid, retarded west coast gay or a fucking hungolian "european" eurotrash mutt (no difference, really) you are fortunate to have lived in the pax Americana. Thanks to us, European self-slaugtering chimpouts are down by 95%!
You can't lump every war and war effort in the same box. You can be grateful for burgers underwriting european security while condemning the Iraq and Afghanistan wars for example. you can't pretend it's one necessary monolith
People tend to have an idealized view of ancient Greeks during the Homeric Age, but they were not at all what we imagine them to have been like. They were a tribalistic honor culture, basically a slightly more sophisticated version of ghetto blacks or the Pashtuns in contemporary Afghanistan.
not coping, but experience of being natty - I think a lot of ancient hellenes were in fantastic aesthetic shape, but not QUITE as good as our expectations of statues - almost all images of statues not only reflect light like statue material does, not flesh and skin, and they are almost always in favourable lighting to favour that view ofc.
TLDR; ancient hellenes would look aesthetic af in some lighting but for the most part look quite regular, basically pic related. aesthetic af in this lighting, but sure to look quite normal in bad lighting.
>It appears that the Mycenaean religion was the mother of the Greek religion[80] and its pantheon already included many divinities that can be found in classical Greece.[81] However, Greek mythology is generally seen as having heavy influence of Pre-Greek and Near Eastern cultures, and as such contains few important elements for the reconstruction of the Proto-Indo-European religion.[82] Consequently, Greek mythology received minimal scholarly attention in the context of Indo-European comparative mythology until the mid 2000s.[83]
there's a reason IE archeologists never talk about Grecoroman myths
The epics are retellings of retellings (about 40 times over). A lot of heroes of myth were either real or based on real people.
The nemean lion was probably a lion with thick skin that learned how to fight men, hell it could have been a guy with pelts on top.
It was probably daid Achiles was invincible because the mofo was just THAT good.
Most of the Godly interventions were likely events that either couldn't be explained or the victims of retelling.
Like: the plague that assailed the Acheonians while marching to Troy struck so hard it must have been sent by Apollo himself!
Turned into: Apollo, ever favoring the fair peoples of Troy sent a plague to stall the Acheonians!
This is a very common phenomenon in human history,because it sounds awesome and playwrights had to sell their craft
In order to smash your cock with a rock
>grug if he chud
What is your endgame cock smasher?
Pretty obviously to get people to smash their cocks with a rock. Speaking this, smash your cock with a rock
For this
what cheap knock-off skeletor is this?
Zarak
why is he posted like that
They were.
Absolutely. I am one reincarnated.
ok, who's going to tell him about Santa?
Santa is real. Denying it is just a conspiracy theory. Like what, you think that all parents just go out and buy the presents for their kids? And that they're ALL in on some sort of santa coverup for no reason? Dont you think that sounds a little ridiculous?
redpilled
kek underrated
The alphabets will visit you soon
santa is real u fucking retard. explain to me this - how does everyone somehow know how he looks like?
Santa is black.
no u retard that's julius caesar
we don't lift to become greek heroes, we simply lift because it is better than not to lift. that's all there is to it.
Achilles was very real, and the entirety of the trojan war. Up until Heinrich Schliemann discovered Troy, everyone in the academic world thought that it was just myth, but Schliemann changed everything and everyone that rejected the truth of the trojan war had to reconsider their position.
>Schliemann
Isn't that the bro who blew Troy up with explosives?
yes, very sad
I chose to believe that the events (exept the gods) depicted in the Iliad are mostly true and that the main figures did indeed exist.
>doesn't worship the PIE ancestral spirits that once took the guise of north Mediterranean gods
Not gonna make it (to Elysium).
Atheists will get into the ovens with the rest of the garden gnome controlled subhumans
Polytheists and atheists are one and the same
Imagine being so low IQ
No they literally aren't.
Christians are atheists.
>That was an outrage. The Romans wouldn’t have minded Christians performing their own rites and following their own dictates, but only if they didn’t deny the Roman gods. Since they did, instead of getting "the cult of Christ" fitted into the grand scheme of things, they were denounced as atheists.
That's as retarded as saying polytheists are atheists.
Also, I do believe the Roman gods were a real thing. But my God is superior.
>t. a Christian
Certainly not a tautology but the wise know this is truer than it seems
The pseuds, maybe. Faith is beyond religion fairy tales. Atheism is a reaction, as is its opposite, superstition. Monotheism and polytheism is a different expression of the same thing. If you call anything that goes against your religion atheism, you have superstition.
I recommend reading Plutarch's on superstition and you will realize the two terms (polytheism and atheism) are not the same in any way or form. You will (probably) also realize the good in having faith.
I highly doubt that the Trojan horse or the 1v1 battles happened
The most believable scenario is the Trojan horse being an allegory for "if it's too good to be true, it probably is". Additionally, in ancient Greece cheating was allowed but carried the stigma of admitting to being lesser. In that sence, the Achaeans admitted to being weaker than the Trojans by resorting to tricks in order to win the war. HOWEVER. The Trojan horse is never mentioned in the Iliad, the only time Homer speaks about the Trojan horse is in passing in the Odyssey. We know about the Trojan horse mostly from Virgil Aeneid. Though the myth of the horse is most likely still passed on from oral Greek tradition, the Roman culture considered scheming and tricks as a great shame, which is why Odysseus is portrayed as a hero by the Greeks and as a trickster by the Romans.
cont. To add to my point about cheating in ancient Greece, resorting to "dishonorable" tricks to win a fight, argument or anything inbetween meant that the "cheater" admits that he could not win fair and square and thus is not superior to his opponent even though he bested him, albeit unfairly. It's a different approach to the might makes right mindset that was prevalent in much of the ancient world.
Yes brother.
gutsanon do you still train with the metal pole thing out in the woods? btw your phuzeek is looking juicier than the last time I saw you post, mirin
>Trojan horse
I was told that it may be a false translation, and it actually was a ship.
Could be, the Phoenicians used horse imagery in their ships that the Greeks called ippos (horse)
I do not. 1v1 battles between heroes were still seen in the iron age.
>except the gods
Ngmi
Hercules was also real, he was an individual that probably lived 1000 BCE and his legend was cross culture among, greek and germanic.
Most of the greek, german and roman myths are based on Indo-European Myths.
Hercules is partly based on the IE thunder striker god from which also Donar, Thor, Perkwunos and Indra descend.
Perun as well.
Yes it does. I'll translate almost word for word:
ΒΥΒΩΝ (Bybon) ΤΕΤΕΡΕΙ (single) ΧΕΡΙ (handedly) ΥΠΕΡΚΕΦΑΛΑ (over his head) Μ (me) ΥΠΕΡΕΒΑΛΕΤΟ (lifted) Ο ΦΟ[Λ]Α (of Phola)
>The Viking at Standford Bridge took on 35 men single-handedly
Oh, he fought 20+ dudes with one-arm, then?
>Audie Murphy held off a German advance using a destroyed tank's mounted .50 MG single handedly
I wonder if it was his left or right hand..?
You utter fucking prat.
Not the guy you're responding to but holy fuck you're a brainlet. Do you think "single-handedly" means "without help from anyone else" in every language? It's an English expression retard.
ΤΕΤΕΡΕΙ ΧΕΡΙ specifically refers to a single hand.
I specifically mentioned that my translation would be almost word for word for this very reason. I can not translate it in English without changing the wording to fit the English language. I'll translate exactly what is written on the stone so that you get my point:
ΒΥΒΩΝ (Bybon) ΤΕΤΕΡΕΙ (single) ΧΕΡΙ (arm) ΥΠΕΡΚΕΦΑΛΑ (over head) Μ (me) ΥΠΕΡΕΒΑΛΕΤΟ (lifted) Ο ΦΟ[Λ]Α (of Phola)
The term "single handedly" can be used to describe both "with one arm" and "alone" in English but the original text is in ancient Greek, not English. There's no room for speculation on what is written, the text is completely straightforward. You can doubt the story all you want but not the text. Wanker.
ΥΠΕΡΒΑΛΕΤΟ can be translated as thrown-over
Too smug for his own good. Many such cases!
Why does this Greek seem different from other ancient greek? seems simpler/more retarded
Dyeus pater isn't a thunder god, he's a sky god and not a chief god
thunder gods come from the near east (like yahweh before the garden gnomes appropriated him)
>inb4 does this mean all european thunder gods come from the near east
yes. They were probably spread to the north during the neolithic migrations
So why are there such clear cognates in all of the indo-European civilisations? Are you one of these Mark Brahmin types?
>BCE
Fuck off christcuck
nta but don't beat around the bush, BCE is just the pc version of BC. If it isn't try centering it around a different starting year and see how many people adopt it.
This. And the French revolutionaries already tried this with their autismo pseudoscience obsessed "Church of Reason" and the calendar that they came up with.
Ya what's so common about the common era anyways? Like did they even think about this shit lmao
Also anno domini sounds way cooler than common era
I’m not christian but the bce/ce revisionism is really dumb. We all know the reason why that date’s there in the first place, agree with it or no
bce = seething garden gnomes
there are 6 billion people on the world who aren't christians and the other 2 billion are larpers
cope
Goku isn't real but that bro inspires me to work out
I had the Goku and Majin Vegeta fight on vhs, such a cool fucking fight
smash your cock with a rock
Will that turn me into a super sayan?
Yes it will. You're go beyond super sayan.
Mah bro
the scenes of goku training in the spaceship on the way to namek was a big influence in me getting in shape. its so motivating to see how significantly his power increased in just one week on the ship because of how hard he pushed himself.
he basically worked himself to near-death, had a senzu bean, and then repeated. which i guess in real life is like roiding for quicker recovery.
Pure kino
>filename
kek
Goku used to be inspiring to me (and still is tbh) despite the hacks because compared to the capeshit alternatives he was the only super strong guy on TV who earned his strength with training. So good.
The big extreme for that feel around that time was Rock Lee from Naruto. But of course we know how much he wound up flopping.
>lee
Guy and his father were also based
rewatching DBZ recently had made me addicted to just hearing men grunt extensively. ive looked for good youtube videos of this sort of thing. the grunts are never extensive, and never isolated.
DBZ is A+++ grunting porn.
uhhhhh.......
reading this in my head you had a really masculine growl, even in confusion
I understand, that test boost, man. fucking life-giving.
>he likes testosterone fueled grunting
Boy do I have another good genre for you
this, goku, batman, hercules,... same shit bro I want to lift and be strong like them
>Believing that heroes were made up
>Not realising the heroes of old were deifications of the great men of times now lost
>Not understanding that heroes were the great men of history which represent the taming of the natural order
>Not understanding that the heroes were very real and we owe everything to them
>Not understanding that myth is more real than history
NGMI
The real heroes were men and women who made medical and Technological advances. Whoever figured out domestication and breeding of plant's was a genius.
The person who knew how to work out times and dating systems. The person who developed algorithms and man who worked out metallurgy.
Not some self-righteous fuck who plundered and raped in the name of some God or destiny.
>The real heroes were men and women who made medical and Technological advances.
You mean Apollo and Asclepius?
>Whoever figured out domestication and breeding of plant's was a genius.
You mean Demeter and Persephone?
>The person who knew how to work out times and dating systems.
You mean Chronos?
>The person who developed algorithms and man who worked out metallurgy.
You mean Hephaestus?
The Greeks valued the importance of these concepts so much they worshipped Gods and Titans in their sake. The hero myth seeks to inspire at times of strife and war (something that was constant in the ancient world) and impose values to the uneducated masses in the form of a simple story. You type like a nerd that brews undeserved hatred against those you deem superior to you.
Lol ur a neek bruv
Genuinely based as fuck.
Unfathomably based, even us mere men can rise to the image of gods
cont. Venturing into the unknown or standing up against the unconquered is the essence of most hero myths. What is projected throughout is a courage exemplified by those who put themselves forward, benefitting their society in the process. In Mesopotamia Gilgamesh began as an arrogant ruler that journeyed with his new feral bro (sent specifically by the Gods to give a purpose to Gilgamesh) to slay the Demon Humbaba of the Cedar forest for the glory of Uruk. In the case of Theseus he stepped in to reclaim the throne of Athens and stop the oppression imposed by the Cretans in the form of a sacrifice of the brightest Athenians to the monster that was the Minotaur (though that myth is likely Mycenaean propaganda against the previous strongest ruling city state of Crete). And guess what happened when arrogance took over the self righteous fuck you describe. They were struck down. The Greeks figured that out early in their mythos, Bellerophon, one of the earliest if not THE earliest hero in Greek mythos, was struck down when he pushed his luck too far and tried to ride Pegasus to Olympus. That's the essence of hubris.
I do.
>where do you work out?
>at the library
Oh shit it's gutsanon!
>gutsbro works out at the library
quite a based turn of events tbh senpai
Can you tell us your workout routine again, Gutsanon?
Yes brother, no problem. However I wouldn't recommed it if you are not done with 1/2/3 or close to it at least. If that's the case I would recommend a 3 day full body hypertrophy routine instead until you hit those numbers and then you can move on to more volume work.
>Day 1.
Db pullovers 3x10
Bb rows 3x8
Bench 4x6
Db flyes 3x10
Db press 3x10
Cb Curls 3x6
Cb wrist curls 3x15
>Day 2.
Squat 3x6
Calf raises 3x25
Front squats 3x8
Ohp 3x6
Lat raises 3x10
Bb shrugs 3x15
>Day 3.
Cb Curls 4x8 (lower weight higher reps)
Db front raises 4x16
Seated triceps extensions 4x10
Cb wrist curls 4x15
>Day 4.
Rest
>Day 5.
Same as day 1
>Day 6.
Rest
>Day 7.
Same as day 2
>Day 8.
Rest
And then repeat.
Ironically have not read Bronze Age Mindset and I feel like dumbfucks like solbrah and liverkang have ran that concept to the fucking ground like the uninspired grifters they are. Is it still worth a read or am I better off just Knowing Myself™?
>Ironically have not read Bronze Age Mindset and I feel like dumbfucks like solbrah and liverkang have ran that concept to the fucking ground like the uninspired grifters they are. Is it still worth a read or am I better off just Knowing Myself™?
BAP is unironically very well read and the real deal. Def worth the time imo, even if you don't like or agree with that premium schizo, Bronze Age Mindset is good fun. Give it a go fren.
Seconding BAP and BAM. BAP is a great shitposter and ally and very, very well read. BAM is a fun book and should not be taken as a guide but will certainly help you think outside of certain boxes. The podcast is fucking hilarious.
>The podcast is fucking hilarious.
It is certainly the best comedy and calypso show in the word atm. give it a try, your sides will leave you more than once!
Thank you Guts anon I'm still using your routine in my home gym. I cant replicate the cable related workouts so I just use my free dumbbells for the cable wrist curls and regular curls. I'm still making decent gains and in a recent lifting competition with my friends, I outlifted all my friends even the ones who mog me, kinda weird. I cannot thank you enough god speed Mr Guts anon
Anon... CB stands for curl bar... That's a mistake on my part tho, I should have specified. Glad you are making good gains friend, godspeed.
Nah it's my fault for being a dumbass and assuming cb means cable curls for some reason. Godspeed anon don't apologize for someone else being a retard. Much love, no homo
>Rome pic
Vouching for your success even more now.
Bronze Age Mindset or BAP in generally really doesn't promote some weird primal grifting though. BAP doesn't go on about carnivore or primal. He even said in Caribbean Rhythms that he thinks the high protein intake thing is overrated. I'd read it. And I'm someone who refuses to read philosophy and stuff on principle.
I don't think you'll get a lot out of BAM, but it's good for dumb dumbs like me that is also an expansion to Beyond Good and Evil.
you, good sir, a based through and through
Thank you friend, I will give it a shot.
I'm not that guy, he's the original gutsanon. Iirc he's been posting for longer than me
>arrogant
He wasn't arrogant. He conquered the 4 quarters and was godlike but he knew death eventually would await him and everything he achieved would be in vain
His fear of death began after Enkidu's demise, which kickstarted his search of immortality. I was referring to the first tablet of the epic where Gilgamesh is fucking around with the citizens of Uruk. The following is a quick summary from Wikipedia
>The story introduces Gilgamesh, king of Uruk. Gilgamesh, two-thirds god and one-third man, is oppressing his people, who cry out to the gods for help. For the young women of Uruk this oppression takes the form of a droit du seigneur, or "lord's right", to sleep with brides on their wedding night. For the young men (the tablet is damaged at this point) it is conjectured that Gilgamesh exhausts them through games, tests of strength, or perhaps forced labour on building projects.
Later the wild man Enkidu is sent by the Gods as an equal to tame Gilgamesh's arrogance and help him find a purpose through the Power of Friendship™. The guy had to be stopped cause he was fucking all the women and cucking every man in Uruk, kek what a lad.
Will definitely save some time for it, thanks anon.
And humility is opposed to hubris, which is not a tragic human flaw but a virtue that is godlike.
The Word tells a story not of "gods" but of the supreme Lord of all, and many arrogant rulers who are struck down in sequence.
Gilgamesh is a romantic epic from ancient Sumeria, emergent city-states such as Uruk and Ur were the context in which Abraham was born and raised to go and make his pact with God.
The Greeks had these gods and stories but they were simply inventions of the imagination.
Eventually, the Greeks realized that Christ is King, leaving behind myth for something far greater.
what are you on about ?Based Christian Fathers told people to first get to know Homer before touching the Bible .
Jesus Christ came right after the failure of Mithridates - just when the Heroic Age seemed to have been in vain .
Jesus is the Ultimate Hero closing up an Age and opening up a new kind of greatness - Thus came the Age of The Saints ,
Gutsanon, why are you literally me? Across these threads I have seen that we share many common interests, hobbies, and opinions. Are you Literally Me, or am I Literally You...
We are both anonymous retards on the internet.
So trve king. I wish I had a friend like you gutsanon. Alas, the endless electrical sea separates us all. Each of us anons are captains of our ships, each without a crew. We may sail by each other and wave, but we will never shake the other's hands.
Heroes who teach mankind how to farm, tame rivers, make tools out of metal etc are common across many cultures.
I think Jesus Chrust was one of them. Imo, turning water into wine refers to irrigation. Turning stone to bread means agriculture. Plus he was a carpenter.
Dude irrigation had been commonplace in the near east for like 6000 years before Jesus came.
I'm guessing he meant that Jesus represented irrigation on top of everything else but I'm gonna go with the Divine Child archetype. He's already got a lot of Dionysian aspects to his image, irrigation being one of them would kind of detract from his other attributes.
Point missed, obnoxious retarded gay
See pic related of the difference in brain activity just from 20 min of walking. Actual intellectuals combined exercising and diet with intellectual pursuits. The idea that physical health and mental health should be separated is asinine and mid wit tier.
>“No man has the right to be an amateur in the matter of physical training. It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable.”- Socrates
>In Regimen II, Hippocrates prescribed moderate exercise because it warmed, thinned, and purged away the humor .Furthermore, he believed idleness (inactivity) and overpowering food consumption (compared with exercise) could lead to disease.
>he believed idleness (inactivity) and overpowering food consumption (compared with exercise) could lead to disease.
the original FPH
>purged away the humor.
That's true. It's the same idea of soldiers going through bootcamp, where they're overwhelmed and forced to have their brains not be total useless morons like they could be in civilian life, or how if you let a child feel that what it does is not okay, it'll stop doing that thing.
Really, the world is filled with people who're just messing around and not really doing anything. It's the people going to a restaurant, eat and talk for several hours, and then come home and do nothing. It's the 'clubbers' who fuck and drink and do nothing.
It's the fat lesbian feminist basket-weaving majors who yell and 'protest' the most, but don't really do anything. Like, what does the protesting itself achieve? Protesting is basically a veiled form of self-fellating whining a child does, but because it comes from an adult, we sort of bend over backwards and let it happen. Because being an adult means you know what you're talking about, right?
>Really, the world is filled with people who're just messing around and not really doing anything. It's the people going to a restaurant, eat and talk for several hours, and then come home and do nothing. It's the 'clubbers' who fuck and drink and do nothing.
That's me, based
>the 'clubbers' who fuck and drink and do nothing.
sounds like they're doing more sexo than you
you seem insufferable
Tell me in this moment you are euphoric without telling me in this moment you are euphoric. Is this the line you use to try to pick up women?
I miss fedoraposting
>the person who
All of these things were probably discovered by groups, not individuals though trial and error and inter generational knowledge.
you are such a gay loll
Most reddit tier post I've seen in a while
Let’s see
Achilles
>hero of the Trojan war
>such an absolute Uber chad everyone thought he was straight up immortal until he got an arrow shot in his foot
>immortalised and remembered until the end of humanity
Guy who invented planting seeds
>doomed humanity to eating gruel
>is behind every single pandemic and overpopulation on the globe
>no one remembers who is
>reddilles
>Made up normie nonsense to appease sheeple
>gets shot in the heel and dies cos his mother was too retarded to dip his foot in afterwards
>Sneed cultivator
Allowed events, civilisations and people, like achilliee, to exist.
>has made humanity seethe he lived comfortably
>reddilles
Have you even read the iliad my bro
Achilles
>killed a bunch of people
>neeted it up in his tent when he didn't get his favorite slave pussy
>killed a prince and paraded his corpse around the city walls
grain guy
>literal who
Yeah, hmmm I dunno man, seems kinda hard to pick
He had the choice between a short, exciting life that would bring eternal glory to his name, or he could leave Troy and live a long, meaningless existence. His mother wanted the latter, but Achilles chose the former.
Bad bait
Yet you replied, curious!
Achilles got killed because of hurdur honour after his bf got killed and princess bs.
Grain guy started civilisation and lived a humble life.
Is was not muh honor but muh glory. And considering we speak his name 3000 years later I'd wager that worked out pretty well for him
>Not some self-righteous fuck who plundered and raped in the name of some God or destiny.
NGMI also you're probably descended from those self-righteous fucks who raped and plundered. That's what winning looks like.
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>t. sucked big pharma dick during the scamdemic
What a gay take, fucking square
bro you sly all mad shit for someone who would be dead. If we were in the Stone Age I’d rape and murder you just to prove my point. Not so smart when you’re dead
Lmao, is this a new reddit copypasta?
>"...and women"
>needs to get that one in
>not just typing "people/beings/humans" to begin with if he is going to be a fag
I guess I'm not reading this, then!
>W*men
>Advances
AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAG
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this
hero worship is a must for the betterment of oneself and society
I lift to look like Herakles
Listen bro
They aren't real, but with your dedication they can BECOME real.
Lift till you are one. No matter what your nationality.
>THE HOMERIC EPICS WERE NOT REAL, ACHILLES NEVER EXISTED
>WHAT DO YOU MEAN TROY WAS A REAL PLACE AND THAT HOMER ACCURATELY DESCRIBED GRECIAN GEOGRAPHY
>NOTHING HOMER SAID IS REAL BECUASE HE ACADEMICS SAID SO... OK?!
most of ancient greek goods look kinda zesty, if u catch my drift, only Zeus, Hades and Hercules lookin swole.
Even if they aren't real, their legend is and the legend is what inspires greatness. You see Hercules, the strongest man alive and you believe that there is such a thing as the strongest man, the concept has been made real to you and now you can pursue it. That's the hero, that's the miracle.
My interest in Ancient Greece and Ancient Greek religion skyrocketed the more I learned about the bronze age. This is when the set in stone stereotype of the golden century of Pericles (5th centurt bc) collapses and you see more aspects of Greece, one of them being bronze age tribes with no set religion, mostly cults and deities. You really start to see which aspects of life the Greeks appreciated most by which Gods appeared first, two of the earliest being Hermes (linear b ermaha) and Ares (linear b Are). Really interesting stuff. Also I'll share some interesting shit I noticed when I was a bit younger
>Izanagi and Izanami's myth being extremely similiar to the story of Orpheus and Euridice
>sons of the ruling God (Herakles, Thor, Susano'o) venturing out to kill a sea serpent (Hydra, Jormungandr, Yamata no Orochi) in the case of Herakles and Susano'o that serpent is multi headed. Also the fact that both Herakles and Susano'o began their quest for retribution (Herakles for killing his family, Susano'o for killing his sister's priestesses).
Amazing stuff really.
Based
Monkeyspeak n*****lover
Go back subhuman
How do I study the ancient Greeks?
I only read the Illiad and Odyssey and got the Republic.
Can you pinpoint me in the right direction?
Google scholar
Depends, there are many aspects to ancient Greek literature both from contemporary research and ancient literature. What interests you brother, religion and mythology, history, philosophy or anthropology? I can share some of my favorite books if you are keen.
Yes, in Mesopotamian and PIE worship as well. Comparative mythology is so underrated it's criminal.
Start with The Greeks and Greek Civilization by Jacob Bruckhardt. Bruckhardt was a philologist and mentor to Nietzche. The book explains why Ancient Greece was the high point of human history and everything afterwards is a vague shadow of them. After that download some pdfs of Greek plays as reference material and read Nietzche's Birth of Tragedy
Plato is worth reading but also to be taken with many grains of salt
Chaoskampf (sky guy of kingship and civilisation punches water snake of lawlessness and nature) is such a fundamental part of Eurasian mythology and cultural foundation, but one rarely if ever see it mentioned in pop-mythology.
do you lift scholar?
Hello BAP, cheesed to meet you
I find more fascinating that the Titan Pantheon of defeated gods have pre-PIE names and the Hellenic Pantheon have IE names. Almost as if they were the gods of the defeated pre-pie peoples
Checked. I'm absolutely certain that this is the case for at least one PIE civilization but I don't remember which one. Patricide and replacement in general is essential to Greek mythos. After Christianity took over Europe the word daemon that was used to describe deities in ancient Greece and had a positive connotation suddenly was twisted to mean an evil spirit, in an anti pagan effort by the christians.
For once it's a simple inscription on a rock and not an official oration speech or piece of literature, kind of like graffiti.
It does, which it's strange cause throwing it would need even more explosive power than lifting it, especially over his head. If he did throw it "over the head" my best bet would be a ball backward throw using momentum.
>giving με 3 (You)s in 1 reply
Zooey mama
>I'm absolutely certain that this is the case for at least one PIE civilization
Kronos for example is still the name for Time in greek as you must know. But Even ancient greeks were not 100% sure that the titan and the concept of time werethe same. they shared the name as Kronos (time) had degenerated into Χρονος pronounces K-H-ronos. Moreover, Kronos (the titan) holds a scythe and could represent the passage of time by seasons like the Harvest aligning him further with the concept of time.
>For once it's a simple inscription on a rock and not an official oration speech or piece of literature, kind of like graffiti.
makes sense, i think we tend to forget how the commoner rarely appears exact in history
>ball backward throw
I was thinking exactly the same, which for me makes it perhaps easier, since the arm would be more of a tensile device rather than the lifting force
>με
Μπάστιντ ;^)
>i think we tend to forget how the commoner rarely appears exact in history
Check out the graffiti of Pompey if you want a good laugh.
>Check out the graffiti of Pompey if you want a good laugh.
I member when they were first posted here. I love them.
>for me, it's "i fucked the barmaid"
>Shitter, may everything turn out okay so that you can leave this place
Comradery among shitposters transcends time it seems
>My lusty son, with how many women have you had sexual relations?
Are ya winnin son?
I like the graffiti art of the Crucifixion with Jesus as a cow. Arguably the first meme
Donkey
Which of the Titans don't have PIE derived names?
I read an interesting theory that suggested the Trojans were actually Hittites, or at least an Anatolian people with a close connection. Hittite records mention a city to the west called Wilusa (Illium) foreign enemies known as the Akkihaya (Acheans,) while that famous Egyptian peace treaty mentions a Hittite ally known as Drdny (Dardans)
Ha I was reading the same thing today
Hittites were more to the east, Trojans were probably Luwians or Lydians (or Lycians?)
they weren't though, we know this
also most greek gods are near eastern in origin, their names do not correspond with their nature (see zeus)
Not to mention Mycenaeans descend from Minoans and we have no proof of anyone in the balkans in Early/Middle bronze age having gods similar to Greek gods
I'm not sure i understand you. Zeus has a very typical IE skyfather role.
>Mycenaeans descend from Minoans
More likely to be the same descent rather than one coming from the other
>we have no proof of anyone in the balkans in Early/Middle bronze age having gods similar to Greek gods
contrast to your first point?
>*Dyēus was the Sky or Day conceived as a divine entity, and thus the dwelling of the gods, the Heaven.[7] As the gateway to the deities and the father of both the Divine Twins and the goddess of the Dawn (*H2éwsōs), *Dyēus was a prominent deity in the Proto-Indo-European pantheon.[17][18] He was however likely not their ruler or the holder of the supreme power like Zeus and Jupiter.[7]
Apollo is the equivalent of the sky/day god, not zeus. zeus is a thunder god much more similar to canaanite/middle eastern gods
you got filtered
>More likely to be the same descent rather than one coming from the other
already two studies proving they are homogeneous. Lazaridis 2017 and Clemente 2021. And there's a new study coming from Reich soon that will include Mycenaeans
>name is the same therefore the god is the same despite being literally different
are you retarded?
I got filtered when you are the one who thinks near-east thunder gods spread to every IE civilization?
Apollo is associated with the sun and day, not the sky.
If you want to literally talk about the sky god, that would be Ouranos (Ουρανός) which literally translates to "Sky"
pleb
>near-east thunder gods spread to every IE civilization?
IE civilization is a nomadic culture without written language an no advanced technology or even weaponry. Anything more than that, especially non-nomadic, is not IE civilization
it's as much IE as much as Sahel is French because they speak French
Ouranos is not a IE word, "pleb"
retard I'm talking about the god himself
how low is our IQ?
what's next, saying DPKR is a democracy because they have "democratic" in their name? fucktard
BAM is retarded, does not expand on anything nietzschean and doesn't even name the garden gnome. Its writer (costin alamariu) has a gnomish mentor and his brother is a banker
your arrogance is blinding you. I'm done here
thread hit bump limit brah, aint much to do anyway lol
Lycians
really joggles the noggin
I don’t know what’s more fascinating, that cultures have evolved the same myths through convergence, or that there’s a very real possibility of a Palaeolithic proto-culture from which every society descends.
Either way, it gives me faith in the universal brotherhood of man
>he fell for the leftist propaganda
aspire for beauty, anon
they're pedos
Alexander the Great outdid Dionysus. We lift to out do the gods.
>Greek heroes weren't real
And you are.
Absolutely laconic response.
testicles, distant cousin of hercules is real
he's my hero
>American education
Aside from Achiles and Hercules (which is debated), all other Greek warriors were real. Leonidas, Themistocles, Alexander the Great, you name it
I think he was talking about Herakles, Perseus, Theseus, Bellerophon, Jason and the like
Holy fucking shit, have a nice day, retard.
>the ancient Greek heroes weren't real
no shit? wtf lmao. did you really think people ran into battle in the front lines and managed to live?
>did you really think people ran into battle in the front lines and managed to live?
You don't?
>did you really think people ran into battle in the front lines and managed to live?
Υοu clearly haven't read about Greek history then. I suggest you read about Kolokotronis, a modern Greek hero who charged headfirst in the battle and fucked turks in the ass
>name is literally Ass-Boulder
What did he mean by this?
kek
>Greeks used the word cuckold as an insult 200 years ago
Alexander did that
actual retard, the literal front lines on an engagement has nothing to do with actual skill. most of them are literally crashed to death or asphyxiated IF they are not killed by flailing weapons. Life is not a fucking movie you retard. Most heroes who participated in battles knew when to enter the battle to ensure the maximum chance of surviving and it was NEVER in the front lines. They always entered the battle near the middle or end of an engagement. I highly suggest you look into legit historical, reenactments of battles and you'll understand.
If you really think ANYONE could battle in the front lines of a phalanx and literally live you are retarded. Alexander entered the battle on cavalry once enemy formations were broken. The "heroes" understood how to survive battles.
Where you there? It's not like they were fighting in a chaos, it's well documented that they had tactics and a lot of combat experience. Their role may be later exaggerated but they were famous at the time for a reason.
ah yes, because all ancient battles had a perfect 100% death rate for all the frontline troops
This is a level of retardation I didn't even know existed.
t.weakling
They were, you just feel for demoralization. What a waste of dubs on you
for ancient roman heroes
A large portion of Greek history and written records talk about Hercules sons waging war with different Mycenaean kings.
I honestly think most Greek heroes were based on real people and just exaggerated a bit.
Nice full house post number, too bad wasted on this cringe :/
Soulless
Imagine any modern politician heading a companion cavalry charge. No shield, just spear and sword.
Suck my right nut, every myth is real. The Odyssey and Iliad 100% happend as written, which written version depends on our moods lads, lesgoo.
No heroes are real heroes. That's what a hero is, an idealization of something that cannot be real. There are just different degrees of idealization, some heroes are more real than others but none is 100% real
>tfw I found out that anything I think of is true as long as I want it to be and use threat of physical violence against deniers
That's a complete waste of time. There will be a day that you won't have enough force or willingness to enforce your truth upon others, and you would most likely die and learnt nothing from life.
If you lived the life you wanted to live in the world you wanted to see, was it a waste of time? It sounds like the most effective and efficient use of time. Particularly if you don't care what the world looks like when you're gone.
You will never see the world you want to see unless you stop desiring things. The world will never accomodate your wants and needs, not even if you force everyone to follow you, there will always be something that will bother you because the problem lies within yourself, your constant feel of always wanting something else to be your way will be your cross your entire life until you learn to let things go and focus on being free from desire.
>mfw the desire of being free of desire is a desire in it of itself
>mfw have never heard the sound of one hand clapping
buddha pilled
>tfw conquered gened gay is trying to tell a conquering something
kneel before you right your next post, weakling bitch
Step aside bitch, you are blocking my sunlight.
get your t levels checked you fucking loser lmao
Both post body now or be forever known as larpers and dyels
Then be the hero for others to aspire to
Fellow "Papa's Rod" Enthusiast
whys his lazor firing backwards
Because those tales were inspired by someone, at some point someone was so strong fit and handsome that they thought he must have been son of zeus and as a result they made myths about that one giga chad that was super fit.
Why even lift? To be so fit that people think that you must be the son of a god.
>tfw I found out that the ancient Greek gods are real
About to kill this workout for the god of coomers, Zeus.
>Dionysus tempting me to ruin my protein synthesis
bros....
Ancient Greek haetos don't exi..........
>A short inscription from Olympia records of Bybon. The son of a man named Phola, Bybon was a weightlifter of remarkable capability. The inscriptionon a block of granite with two deep notches carved out of it, forming a handle so that the stone could be used as a free weight; weighing 143.5 kilograms (316 lb), the stone's carved inscription reads Bybon son of Phola has lifted me over his head
You forgot the part that mentions that he did it with ONE FUCKING ARM (ΤΕΤΕΡΕΙ ΧΕΡΙ)
No it doesnt
But they are real OP, just look in the mirror.
bro....
Everyone referring to the indo european mythology (anachronistic reconstruction, ie fairy tales) and comparing it to greek (given to us in written form by the people of its time) is a literal brainlet. It's like referring to game of thrones.
It's anachronistic to group the PIE tribes together in terms of shared cultural/ethnic identity. Nobody goes around thinking that the PIEs where one large group of people worshipping the same deities, just that unbeknownst to them they shared some common religious attributes, which we now realise carried well into the Iron Age.
Founding an art piece with a woman with a shield and making shit up how that is connected with Athena, or a woman with 4 hands and making other shit up how that is connected to some indian deity, is all at best just a theory.
When you see a woman with all of Athena's symbols in Greece you can say for sure, that is Athena because there is the written proof from people at the time with all the stories along side. Going back in time and saying this woman with a shield in modern day ukraine or something, is the indo european Athena and has the characterists of Athena is bullshit until proven otherwise. Think this about the indo european mythology, in what language is there proof about their stories? There are only references in languages invented way later, at least 1000 years later.
I agree with you on modern scholars stretching a myth thin just for the purpose of distinguishing vague similarities. But there are still deities and stories that can be seen throughout different tribes of the PIEs such as Dyeus, the slaying of a serpent god etc. Then again you could make the argument that some myths stretch far beyond the geographical limits of the PIE tribes.
they were real
literally no proof they weren't
they're about as real as the empire of Kush
I like how the demotivaton gays get crushed by arete chads itt
They were real and they were white. Do not be demoralized by rewritten fake history.
They are real. They live in every rep you perform.
>be me growing up enthralled by ancient greek history
>filled with wonder over how advanced they must have been in their time
>amazed by the culture and art considering the world around them
>feel driven in life by their values and human pursuit
>finally get to a point as an adult where I can visit greece
>arrive in athens
>instantly discover its an absolute shithole that shouldnt even count as europe (much closer to a middle eastern/north african country)
>the people are repugnant, dirty, rude, and out of shape
>look into modern greek history/politics (there must have been many afflictions to get them to this point)
>nope its literally all on the people and their shitty ways
>b-b-but it must be due to the muslims invading they must be vastly different on an ethnic level
>nope its the same people as before
Fuck greece and fuck the western world for memeing their shit on a pedistal
>visits downtown Athens
>is amazed it's a shithole
Next time visit downtown NY and be shocked that stabbings and shootings happens retard
Are you the reincarnation of that dumbass who got disappointed when the local greek people living in poverty weren't looking like the greek statues and then went on to write some fantasy about how he thought that greeks were extinct, or that ancient greeks were a different race or something retarded like that?
>>look into modern greek history/politics (there must have been many afflictions to get them to this point)
You didn't look into shit lol
Achilles and his bros aren't the forefathers of modern kebab standowners, even if they name their sons Ajax and Diomedes
>t.turkroach living in germany
lmao no, its just that the genetic quality has shifted and moved away from Greece in the last 2500 years. I don't see Greeks with hair that is coloured like fire amongst their populace. Although, Ajax's bloodline seems to have passed down to the Bloatlord.
No it hasn't and the "fire" (lol) hair is you being a dumbass. The word is "fair" as is commonly translated or bright in the sense that which catches your attention as is the greek word.
Greek mutt cope
Read descriptions of Alexander by his contemporaries and stay mad.
Unironically looks like a friend of mine and I'm Greek. Every Greek blond person I've met has that same "honey" color to his hair, not the Scandinavian blond.
>heterochromia
Literal anime protag god damn
there are no descriptions of him by his contemporaries. However we have a painting of his from his father's grave
and an ivory statues of his from the same grave, Philip's (he has a beak nose lmao)
and his contemporary bust. Also, his parent's faces AND his father's face reconstruction from his skull
I've visited the museum at Vergina, it's one of the best and most well preserved museums in my opinion. If you get the chance to admire the tomb's facade (from which the fresco in
is depicted) alone and in silence it really is a sublime experience.
I've read this theory too but another theory is that Trojans were a Greek colony that for one reason or another had a breaking out with the mainland Achaeans. It was then recorded by
the historians at the time because it was a considered a great sin for a colony city to oppose it's mother city. Look further into Greek migrations during the Bronze Age and the matter of "stenochoria".
most accurate depiction right there.
hair/eye color still wrong
the insertions on their statues are great, but their muscle mass is natty attainable. They're just very low bodyfat especially in the abdomen area
go check out the Doryphoros statue
or Zeus/Poseidon as he's about to throw a bolt/trident
>ancient greeks were slavs
Based
demoralization poster, fuck off
You can blame Christianity and garden gnomes for this. They ruined our country and our culture, like they have ruined every beauty Europe had.
Some of us still honour our ancestors and try to work our body and mind, lately plenty of Greek youth is discovering the feats of our forefathers
t. persian
the statues are though
How do you know?
seen them on webms and jpgs
prove it, post a single jpg
https://www.galleriaborghese.net/portfolio-items/rape-of-persephone/
How about you find me a contemporary sculptor alive today that can match the anatomic accuracy, the play of surfaces, the movement and emotion that this sculpture possesses.
>Why even lift?
Because you should strive to be your own hero instead of admiring some gay fake heroes
>gay fake heroes
Cmon now
the ancient greeks also knew they weren't real. they still tried to be like them. whenever they had too much work to handle, they remembered Hercules, who had to literally carry the world and did so willingly. it inspired them to be better. you can do the same with people like Arnold or zyzz, or anyone else that inspires you.
Because you're missing the whole fucking point. Regardless if they were real or not, mythology, stories, and religion teach ideals to strife for. You've heard the phrase "it's about the journey, not the destination" - it's exactly that. Routines and rituals. Struggle and heroism. Resolve in the face of failure.
And if the discipline to achieve higher isn't enough: then let fear remind me what happens when you DON'T have an ideal: Look at the masses of weed smokers, obese pigs who steal our precious oxygen, the parasites who criticize those who work out in the modern age. You wanna be like them? You wanna fry your brain on social media? Or would you prefer striving towards an ideal? Stand in front of the mirror naked and ask yourself that question. Don't hide from who you are: accept reality and push forward. The suffering and pain will become bearable and worth it.
When I got out of the Army back in 2019, I came to my home city out of nostalgia despite falling in love living in the rural mountains. I regret it. All my friends I once knew were but a hollow shell(or were they always like that and I didn't notice?) Drinking right before the Monday workday, weed because 'anxiety', not being able to hold a job, over 300 Lbs+. I won't be surprised if I find out my friend is dead in ~10 years from 'covid'.
Working out forces you to realize the truth overtime: you need to sleep, eat correctly, drink water, not over-consume, not do drugs, have routines, take care of yourself and those you love. Besides, if you're not improving yourself, you're not living. You're already dead. As someone who had to overcome PTSD over the years from my 2019 Afghanistan deployment, depression, and my ADHD which I got medically diagnosed with 2 years ago from doing a sleep study with a brain scan: That's no way to live life.You have to keep going - one foot in front of the other. And bear the pain and watching others fail. Welcome to being human.
Quality post.
That's some inspirational shit.Good job brother.
Kek fucking zogbot aww did killing kids fuck you up? Worse than a moron
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So here's the (You) you wanted so bad. Children get the paintball gun while they try to steal your pencils from your sleeve. Women were generally kept out of sight and dug canals for their bean farms. Men who point AK-47's at you get the 50 caliber. Your lack of morality, empathy for another human, and instant self-defense is textbook projection that it's not even funny - just sad. Regardless, you'll think back to that half-assed comment one day and realize the mistake you made and feel terrible. Let it be a learning experience. Or maybe you won't. That'll be the real hell: never becoming self conscious of your own actions and suffering in confusion until your dying breath. I borderline fucking pity you man. :
Kek you are one retarded zogbot trying to preach. Worse than a moron
You're a pathetic wastrel that enjoys your quality of life solely because we do what we do around the globe. Assuming you're either an insipid, retarded west coast gay or a fucking hungolian "european" eurotrash mutt (no difference, really) you are fortunate to have lived in the pax Americana. Thanks to us, European self-slaugtering chimpouts are down by 95%!
You can't lump every war and war effort in the same box. You can be grateful for burgers underwriting european security while condemning the Iraq and Afghanistan wars for example. you can't pretend it's one necessary monolith
retarded mutt i want to fire off a firework near your house and watch you shit yourself (lliterally)
reductionist yet accurate
They were real. Some of them were even half-gods. The Greek gods were also real, but they have forsaken us.
Fuck off, the gods are real. Christ is real.
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Good thread
>it's been more than a year since that thread
damn
how many of you bros started lifting to look like a greek/roman statue?
>coping about faith turns into /fitlit/ discussion about religious philosophy and the strive for greatness
POSTING IN BASED THREAD, WAGMI
fitlit truly is the best combination
Because you clearly aren´t capable of working with your brain?
It was all real though. Even if it weren't the battle of Marathon or Thermoplyae were heroic enough.
The men and women who modeled for all those sculptures were real. The bodies depicted are real.
he's prob talking about the stories
How did they make those statues if they didn't have bodies like that then gay?
I lift so i can be one day tje milf slayer that i always wanted to be
well do you want the body of a god or the body of a man?
People tend to have an idealized view of ancient Greeks during the Homeric Age, but they were not at all what we imagine them to have been like. They were a tribalistic honor culture, basically a slightly more sophisticated version of ghetto blacks or the Pashtuns in contemporary Afghanistan.
Bugman
Neither is maho but I still lift for her
Lots of ancient greeks looked like the statues. You can see them in the paintings.
not coping, but experience of being natty - I think a lot of ancient hellenes were in fantastic aesthetic shape, but not QUITE as good as our expectations of statues - almost all images of statues not only reflect light like statue material does, not flesh and skin, and they are almost always in favourable lighting to favour that view ofc.
TLDR; ancient hellenes would look aesthetic af in some lighting but for the most part look quite regular, basically pic related. aesthetic af in this lighting, but sure to look quite normal in bad lighting.
>It appears that the Mycenaean religion was the mother of the Greek religion[80] and its pantheon already included many divinities that can be found in classical Greece.[81] However, Greek mythology is generally seen as having heavy influence of Pre-Greek and Near Eastern cultures, and as such contains few important elements for the reconstruction of the Proto-Indo-European religion.[82] Consequently, Greek mythology received minimal scholarly attention in the context of Indo-European comparative mythology until the mid 2000s.[83]
there's a reason IE archeologists never talk about Grecoroman myths
The epics are retellings of retellings (about 40 times over). A lot of heroes of myth were either real or based on real people.
The nemean lion was probably a lion with thick skin that learned how to fight men, hell it could have been a guy with pelts on top.
It was probably daid Achiles was invincible because the mofo was just THAT good.
Most of the Godly interventions were likely events that either couldn't be explained or the victims of retelling.
Like: the plague that assailed the Acheonians while marching to Troy struck so hard it must have been sent by Apollo himself!
Turned into: Apollo, ever favoring the fair peoples of Troy sent a plague to stall the Acheonians!
This is a very common phenomenon in human history,because it sounds awesome and playwrights had to sell their craft
Goodbye everyone, this was a great thread. Looking forward to posting with you anonymously.