More processing = worse is the same logic as more ingredients = worse. Just making a point that long lists are nothing but fearmongering and using uneducated people to push one's own narrative.
The only reason why processing and more ingredients are added is to give it a longer shelf life. Generally, ingredients that give a longer shelf life are not good for humans.
I hate garden gnomes as much as the next guy but he’s pretty much right. Humans are primitive grains and cereals when they could find them even tens of thousands of years ago
Teosinte was about as productive as in calories per acre as the wheats of its era. Stop uncritically accepting that lying garden gnome with an agenda Jared Diamond's claims about agriculture.
>keep consuming what my ancestors have been for the past 100k years
I'm all for eating meat, but you should be careful to follow your own advice. Chances are your hunter-gatherer ancestors were not eating anywhere near the quantity saturated fat one would today if you follow the typical paleo or keto diet. I.e., they definitely weren't eating butter, and wild animals are extremely lean compared to what you get in the grocery store today (unless you're only eating actually 100% grass-fed beef.)
This is nonsense. They ate vastly more meat in terms of poundage than modern people, precisely because it was generally leaner. Their saturated fat intake I would postulate was higher than modern carnivores since their daily activity and thus caloric needs would have been higher. To believe hunter gatherers (who were afterall the height of modern Europeans, with even larger brain sizes) were subsisting on 1500cals of lean meat only is ridiculous.
Add to that what we do know from indigenous tribes, they all place much higher value on fatty parts of animals than modern people. Because the fat is where the nutrients are.
There is so much bullshit on the internet already about saturated fat from shills and ideological morons, don't add to it.
>fat is where the nutrients are
Its where the calories are. And if your societal development has you in a "tribe", the calories are what you need. No " tribe" knew about vitamins
>They ate vastly more meat in terms of poundage than modern people
Some did, some didn't. I made no claims about how much meat or how much food people ate.
>generally leaner
Have you eaten wild elk or deer? It is insanely lean compared to modern beef. There is no way hunter-gatherers were ever eating any animal that remotely approached the quantity of fat on a modern cow.
>To believe hunter gatherers (who were afterall the height of modern Europeans, with even larger brain sizes) were subsisting on 1500cals of lean meat only is ridiculous.
No one said this, so I'm not sure what you're on about.
> they all place much higher value on fatty parts of animals than modern people.
Obviously. That doesn't mean the fatty parts of the animals they had access to were anywhere near as large or as fatty as what we have today, nor did they have them in the quantity we have today.
> Because the fat is where the nutrients are.
This is a meaningless statement. Fat has some nutrients. Other necessary nutrients exist in muscle meat and plants.
Eat whatever you want, I don't care. Maybe a diet high in saturated fat will fuck you up, maybe it won't. That's my point, we don't know if it's healthy or not because we definitely didn't evolve to eat that way. If you "postulate" hunter-gatherers were were eating the equivalent of six eggs, a pound of 80/20 hamburger, and a pack of bacon every day, you're an idiot.
this is a stupid response, there is tons of saturated fat to be found in plant/non-animal foods. And I have bad news--- it is bad for you. Enjoy cardiovascular disease and metabolic problems
You can lie in meta-analysis. It's not some infallible source of information. I mean frequency training was backed up in meta-analysis until Schoefield admitted he was full of shit and that it makes no difference.
>arguing with vegans
If you really want to piss them off just make a pro-egg or pro-meat thread and post in that. They want their shilling bumped and hate it when you bump an OP that is disfavorable to them.
>it's valid because I said so
do some science for once in your life and run an experiment to see if your hypothesis holds >but mooom it's hard
lack of better evidence doesn't make shit evidence better
Epidemiological studies aren't done in vivo or in vitro. They're not double blind or controlled. Its literally people filling out surveys you stupid mong.
>veganfags >not the cringest gays on earth
Yeah, if every vegan died tomorrow, this place would be better off. You garden gnomes are really sad, as bad as fedorafags who are so afraid of death they spend their days trying to convince everyone else to be a fedorafag with them. Leftist ideals are always garbage.
It's fine to eat.
Veganfags can fucking kill themselves for always being retarded. By the way, all those fake meats contain tons of coconut oil which is saturated fat, so better stop eating that shit too, dumbfuck!
fuck off vegan shill I won't eat your industrial garbage and keep consuming what my ancestors have been for the past 100k years
You're retarded. Even "natural" foods that have existed forever can be broken down to roughly the same ingredients.
>natural in quotes
>for an egg
Holy shit you're so brainwashed. Go drink your motor oil.
Yeah you consume green sludge smoothies 7 times a day instead.
But my daily smoothie is pink because I add pomegranate and beets
>natural in quotes for an egg
Yeah. Define what a natural food is then?
.green sludge
>aka veggies
>veggies bad
Laughing at you rn
>Sees picture comparing processing required to produce different foods
>Starts talking about breaking down ingredients
Do you have brain damage?
More processing = worse is the same logic as more ingredients = worse. Just making a point that long lists are nothing but fearmongering and using uneducated people to push one's own narrative.
The only reason why processing and more ingredients are added is to give it a longer shelf life. Generally, ingredients that give a longer shelf life are not good for humans.
You can be vegan and not consoom seed oils lad
>vegetable oil
>healthy
Do Americans really?
>thinks humans ate butter 100k years ago
Are you actually retarded ?
Lol r u serious? Humans ate meat and butter and never touched any carbs. Its our natural diet
yeah there was no such thing as cultivating grains etc which led to better brain activity ( ur brain cells need glucose)
thats why nomades have a very superior zivilisation
I was being sarcastic.
omg u never know here
too many ketards
my ancestors evolved to be able to digest more dairy, so i think they made butter too
u serious? they started doing that maximum 5k years ago retard, bc they didnt breed systematically and cows usually produce milk for their children
they ate tallow, same thing retard
>shows a completely different fatty acid profile
thanks for proving my point tard
its just dairy so obviously you fucking retard
>past 100k years
better not drink dairy then. Humans have been eating whole grains for 100k years and dairy for the last 8k
>Humans have been eating whole grains for 100k years
nice try schlomo
I hate garden gnomes as much as the next guy but he’s pretty much right. Humans are primitive grains and cereals when they could find them even tens of thousands of years ago
moron good luck harvesting 200 kcal of this shit a day do you even know what corn looked like before domestication?
Teosinte was about as productive as in calories per acre as the wheats of its era. Stop uncritically accepting that lying garden gnome with an agenda Jared Diamond's claims about agriculture.
>humans have always been farmers
no
>keep consuming what my ancestors have been for the past 100k years
I'm all for eating meat, but you should be careful to follow your own advice. Chances are your hunter-gatherer ancestors were not eating anywhere near the quantity saturated fat one would today if you follow the typical paleo or keto diet. I.e., they definitely weren't eating butter, and wild animals are extremely lean compared to what you get in the grocery store today (unless you're only eating actually 100% grass-fed beef.)
This is nonsense. They ate vastly more meat in terms of poundage than modern people, precisely because it was generally leaner. Their saturated fat intake I would postulate was higher than modern carnivores since their daily activity and thus caloric needs would have been higher. To believe hunter gatherers (who were afterall the height of modern Europeans, with even larger brain sizes) were subsisting on 1500cals of lean meat only is ridiculous.
Add to that what we do know from indigenous tribes, they all place much higher value on fatty parts of animals than modern people. Because the fat is where the nutrients are.
There is so much bullshit on the internet already about saturated fat from shills and ideological morons, don't add to it.
>fat is where the nutrients are
Its where the calories are. And if your societal development has you in a "tribe", the calories are what you need. No " tribe" knew about vitamins
>They ate vastly more meat in terms of poundage than modern people
Some did, some didn't. I made no claims about how much meat or how much food people ate.
>generally leaner
Have you eaten wild elk or deer? It is insanely lean compared to modern beef. There is no way hunter-gatherers were ever eating any animal that remotely approached the quantity of fat on a modern cow.
>To believe hunter gatherers (who were afterall the height of modern Europeans, with even larger brain sizes) were subsisting on 1500cals of lean meat only is ridiculous.
No one said this, so I'm not sure what you're on about.
> they all place much higher value on fatty parts of animals than modern people.
Obviously. That doesn't mean the fatty parts of the animals they had access to were anywhere near as large or as fatty as what we have today, nor did they have them in the quantity we have today.
> Because the fat is where the nutrients are.
This is a meaningless statement. Fat has some nutrients. Other necessary nutrients exist in muscle meat and plants.
Eat whatever you want, I don't care. Maybe a diet high in saturated fat will fuck you up, maybe it won't. That's my point, we don't know if it's healthy or not because we definitely didn't evolve to eat that way. If you "postulate" hunter-gatherers were were eating the equivalent of six eggs, a pound of 80/20 hamburger, and a pack of bacon every day, you're an idiot.
this is a stupid response, there is tons of saturated fat to be found in plant/non-animal foods. And I have bad news--- it is bad for you. Enjoy cardiovascular disease and metabolic problems
>there is tons of saturated fat to be found in plant/non-animal foods
coconut oil
Name 5 common fruits and vegetables that contain appreciable amounts of saturated fat besides coconuts
>butter has been around for 100,000 years
Anon...
>muh meta analysis xd
have a nice day already
Keto cope: the post
>muh keto
have a nice day already you schizo gay retard
Seethe
SCHIZOCOPE
>eats like a normal person
>FUCKING KETOS
huh
I love milk and cheese and I'm prepared to die for it
>I'm prepared to die for it
sugar and seed oils cause heart disease, not cholesterol. we knew this 50 years ago too, all of the money was behind the lie however.
They both do. Its not one or the other
Vegetarians aren't living longer than someone typically from a bluezone.
fucking based. I wish I could buy a big roll of cheese
based, I can drink 2L of milk in one sitting if given the chance
You can lie in meta-analysis. It's not some infallible source of information. I mean frequency training was backed up in meta-analysis until Schoefield admitted he was full of shit and that it makes no difference.
Any diet which requires you to take lab-made supplements is not a natural or good diet whatsoever
why
i don't really fancy the idea of being a 100 year old that never experienced gains.
Since when do you need saturated fat for gains?
>arguing with vegans
If you really want to piss them off just make a pro-egg or pro-meat thread and post in that. They want their shilling bumped and hate it when you bump an OP that is disfavorable to them.
>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29701155/
>Abstract
>Background: Epidemiological studi-
Stopped reading there. Completely nonscientific trash. kys
>It’s not valid because I said so!
>it's valid because I said so
do some science for once in your life and run an experiment to see if your hypothesis holds
>but mooom it's hard
lack of better evidence doesn't make shit evidence better
Epidemiological studies aren't done in vivo or in vitro. They're not double blind or controlled. Its literally people filling out surveys you stupid mong.
This is vegan propaganda saturated fat (MCT oil) is the solution to Alzheimer's.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32597927/
MCT is a very special and specific kind of fat. You can't group all fats in with them
Its a type of saturated fat and it improves brain function. OP is wrong
Its a nonstandard type. Generalizations are useful. You re just being anal
I would tell vegans ITT to kill themselves, but they already are.
Meatlets are fucking cringe. Just jys already instead of starving yourself for attention.
>veganfags
>not the cringest gays on earth
Yeah, if every vegan died tomorrow, this place would be better off. You garden gnomes are really sad, as bad as fedorafags who are so afraid of death they spend their days trying to convince everyone else to be a fedorafag with them. Leftist ideals are always garbage.
Mfw vegans start yapping
It's fine to eat.
Veganfags can fucking kill themselves for always being retarded. By the way, all those fake meats contain tons of coconut oil which is saturated fat, so better stop eating that shit too, dumbfuck!
>strawman
>Everyone who likes facts is vegan!
>meta analysis
>*cherry picks from studies that confirm bias*
Fuck off