>put in hard work and dedication for your entire life
>natural god-gifted talent still wins at the end
Is it really impossible for hard work to overcome talent?
>put in hard work and dedication for your entire life. >natural god-gifted talent still wins at the end
Ronaldobros.... it's really over isn't it?
He won the Euro, which is far harder than the World cup.
Also idk why people compare them by team achievements instead of individual achievements.
Also
>penaldo
but its actually messi who has scored more penalties (Specially in international competitions)
It will never be over bro, as long as we remember!
>He won the Euro, which is far harder than the World cup.
GREECE won the euro
Being 5’7 is truly a gift
Messi is 5'6
Thats why he has so many fans, literally all the manlets in the world (or with similar insecurities)
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honestly its sad because Ronaldo, whilst still dumb, still seems smarter than Messi too. Listening to Messi speak just reminds me that he is an autistic savant
que miras bobo?
Messi is a genius on the field, at least. Ronaldo was too dumb to tone down his own ego, now he's burned so many Bridges and is unemployed as a result
Uhhhh, did you forget that the Saudis are going to be paying him 200 million to play in their shitty league?
International footie is a lot of luck, the fact someone like Haaland may never play in a WC or Euro knockout game depsite almost certainly destined to be great is testament to this. Club footie is a a better judge
Messi still mogs though
Portugal was a way better team than Argentina
Ronaldo wouldn't win shit with pic related
did you see what ronaldo had to carry to the 2014 wc?
the only reason they got there was ronaldo popping off vs sweden.
in 2018 they only got a draw vs spain because ronaldo scored a hattrick.
he carried them on his back for 12+ years and this is how his coach repayed him. by spitting on him and chucking him to the bench in his last wc.
>how his coach repayed him. by spitting on him and chucking him to the bench in his last wc.
That was the best decision to be made ronaldo absolutelly sucked in this WC
its the last wc of the best player portugual produced you start him even if hes one footed.
its called respect.
if he started against the mountain germans he would have also scored atleast 1-2
>muh respect
No moron, you don't go around beating a dead horse hopeing it can still run just out of respect for the horse. I mean I guess if you really wanted to lose it's fine.
respect is something only a white man could understand.
he was still the only dangerous player against morocco and he only played like half an hour
>Portugal was a way better team than Argentina
Tell me you didnt see a single game at the wc without telling me you didnt see a single game at the wc. Argentina was in the top 3 of favourites with France and brasil. Portugal did better than most expected
Another tourist that only sees the stats after the game Is over
>Another tourist that only sees the stats after the game Is over
i watched more ganes than you most likely
it is obvious you have little to no idea how football works
>Messi has the highest number of assists in the wc
>He was carried by his team!
>I surely understand the basics of this team sport!
Except you are Pelé or Maradona, nobody wins a WC alone. Argentina team was the best team overall.
Lol Pele's Brazil teams were possibly the most loaded soccer teams of all time
>nobody wins a WC alone
R9 without injuries
Hard work only beats talent when talent doesn't do anything at all. It's sad but true. Some guys are just naturally superior and will dominate their fields while barely trying or at least putting 25% of the effort the "hard worker" guys are putting
its not like messi won it by himself
Ah yes
>Genetically gifted manlet who was groomed for age 10 by top club in the world to become their star
Vs
>Favela monkey from bumblefuck nowhere who for a period was the greatest player in the world on hard work alone
Sage this demoralization bs
>Genetically gifted
>manlet
ignore the hgh from childhood please
Being a manlet has its' benefits in football. You center of gravity is lower so you can dribble better than taller players in a reduced space.
Either you are a madridcuck or you don't know shit about football. How is HGH going to benefit a fucking manlet? Does HGH make you more skilled at dribbling? Because that is what Messi is good at. If you told me Penaldo took HGH or other PED I could believe you because the man is a beast and his specialty is running fast and scoring.
>Either you are a madridcuck or you don't know shit about football. How is HGH going to benefit a fucking manlet? Does HGH make you more skilled at dribbling? Because that is what Messi is good at. If you told me Penaldo took HGH or other PED I could believe you because the man is a beast and his specialty is running fast and scoring.
u dum, kunt. You're on a bodybuilding forum and know nothing about one of the key modern bodybuilding drugs, and the number 1 used PED currently.
HGH got messi from ~155 to 170cm. still manlet but not gigamanlet
>How is HGH going to benefit a fucking manlet?
Have you ever seen the angles at which Messi can bend his ankles and not get injured? Have you ever noticed how he gets inured rarely in general? HGH does not affect all parts of the body at the same rate. It strengthens tendons and connective tissue exceptionally well. It also proves regeneration. Just because he didn't grow to be tall, doesn't mean he didn't have supraphysiological doses.
>can bend his ankles and not get injured? Have you ever noticed how he gets inured rarely in general?
He has gotten plenty of injuries throughout his career just like any other player his age. Go cope somewhere else Penaldo.
god-gifted talent still wins at the end
You say that as if Messi isn't some football Frankenstein monster who has been on HGH his entire life, played for the Most Doped Team of All Time in 00s-10s Barcelona, managed most successfully by Pep 'Deca-Durabolin busted' Guardiola, and most recenty won a world cup literally bought by the state who owns him now as a player in the 'Dodgiest Run to the Final, and Final, of Any World Cup of All Time'.
The funny thing about your OP image is that Ronaldo still has him beat by most every footballing metric, and would have probably won the WC vs France if he had decided to go to PSG rather than Man Poo.
Typical Penaldofag response
The truth hurts. Here's one tidbit: check out Ronaldo's goal tally in Champions League quarters/semis/finals vs Messi's. tl;dr Messi is comparable to Raul/Inzaghi, Ronaldo smashes him.
There's more seethe here than in the average penaldofag
This level of ass pain can only be either dutch or mexicant
cope
Thanks for the laugh man, haven't laughed like that in a while
>Ronaldo still has him beat by most every footballing
No he isn't, and Ronaldo is older, he will retire and Messi will surpass all the remaining things he has over him.
Penaldo fans are truly delusional
I don't care about some gay ass sport so fuck off, those names mean nothing to me. They don't deserve any of the money they earn, give it to actual important people instead
you cared enough to post in this thread and reply to me though
yes because some fag called him "genetically gifted" and a "manlet" which makes no sense
>They don't deserve any of the money they earn
Cope and seethe
this is a team sport
Argentina always had tons of great players
Ronaldo was held back by his shit country
This year's argentina team had zero world class players outside of Messi. Keep coping
LMFAO. Check out di Maria's throphy cabinet, for one. Ugly bastard probably has more trophies than the whole England team combined.
based knower
For shits and giggles I compared di Maria to the England staring 11 vs France:
>Angel: 32 trophies in career
>Entire England starting 11: 45
>0 trophies - Kane/Rice/Maguire/Pickford
>Those 4 have 9 relegations between them alone
>Angel has 0 relegations and has won a trphy every year of his career except for the year he played for Man Poo
>"This year's argentina team had zero world class players outside of Messi"
di Maria also won Messi the World Cup. It's like idiots on the internet don't even watch football, let alone the biggest game of the year.
>convrniently ignores the fact that Di Maria is 34 years old, made of glass and was injured until the final
God Americans shouldn't be allowed to share their retarded football takes.
Di Maria will go down as one of the all time greats in Argentina, but to claim that he carried Messi when the whole team is BUILT around Messi is retarded.
>it's retarded to say he carried Messi when the ENTIRE TEAM is built to carry Messi
You're right, anon, we should be more respectful of the full team effort that is carrying Messi. One person shouldn't hog all the credit.
id rather say the whole gameplan was built around and with di maria
after he got benched the argentinian team started losing hard
but tourists regurgitating what the commentators say will continue sucking (P.)issis cock
Aren't you forgetting someone?
I will miss Kroos and Modric so much when they retire
Now we have two ngubus and are looking to sign a third, at least Valverde has soul
Might as well shut down the entire club when Modric and Kroos stop playing. Valverde has good skill, but he doesn't seem to have the smarts needed to play at CM. The young Ngubu, just like all blacks, can't ever become world class for the same reason (lack of football IQ). The old Ngubu is okay as long as he gets carried by two smart white CMs in front of him.
When Modric, Kroos and Benzema leave, this club is going down the drain.
>caring about football
Post skincolor, 3rd worlders.
about football
Literally the most popular sport on the planet
So the normie of sports, got it.
Also, seeing as how 90% of the planet is 3rd worlder, checks out
Genetic determinism trumps hard work 9 out of 10 times.
>get gifted a free WC rigged by qataris
>suddenly you're the undisputed GOAT
football is so fucking gay. One penalty awarded or not awarded the other way and everyone would be talking about mbappe right now. As if it isn't just pure luck and ref/host favor
suits the retard right for doing meme kb weight wen bro could be doing 24kg easily
Bought 4 kg of isolate, injured my shoulder, got flu and lost all motivation to train. Months of training will be lost in a week. The only thing anyone should work on is making money.
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CR came from nothing and is one of the most successful individuals on the face of the planet and one of the greatest futbol players ever. He hardly "lost.
>CR came from nothing
You seem to think penaldo is brazilian and messi blatter's nephew
never forget that during the legendary 6-1 remontada Neymar played his greatest game ever but the cameras were all on pissi cucckitinni and the articles after that praised only him, despite neymar winning them the game and giving THAT last pass
Never understood the media wankathon for Messi, perhaps because he is a half-dumb midge and they can sympathise with him because 'that's just like me!'
That and the obvious moneyed interests surrounding Messi. He has, after all, signed a deal with the Saudis worth hundreds of millions as an 'ambassador'. This connection with the questionable Gulf state will go unspoken about by the media though.
>natural talent
>blasting HGH legally since childhood cause you have """"deficiency""""
Ronaldo got hard fudded by media which clearly got in his head and why he played so baddly. Also Ronaldo is a narcissist that expects the entire team to play around him so only he can score.
tldr: Messi = Goku, Ronaldo = Vegeta
Twain is that you? Guess you couldn't handle IST anymore lmao
Am I supposed to know who these people are? Take it to IST.
basically thor v eddie on deadlift equivalent, where both sides of supporters are fags that cant accept both are great
they are both hard working and gifted, you retard.
>I am not so sure. I do not know if I will ever be able to work hard enough to beat real talent… I keep thinking all of my efforts will pay off… but it is always the same! I am no match for him at all! I do not know if I can take it. Sometimes it seems like the whole thing is pointless- like I am a loser, and I will always be a loser. I do not know what to do
I used to hate that Naruto went from hard work being the best thing one can do to better themselves and win to it being about the main characters having inherited eye hacks and god-levels amount of chakra to curbstomp everyone. But the older I get, the more I think that subtle transition into a blackpill was accurate.
It is so shitty to keep using Rock Lee as an example of "hard work vs talent" too
It is a major blackpill because in Naruto's world, only the gifted and truly talented prevail, this gets even worse in Boruto
Rock Lee remains a literal who jobber, Might Guy had his gigantic moment but ultimately lost and became a perma cripple
The message should be "You can go high on hard work alone, and you should cherish any position you manage to achieve", because the whole "Enough hard work beats talent" will forever be one of the biggest and worst lies ever
Naruto is shit
It's a team sport.
>2 of the best soccer players in the world
Pretty sure they both practiced a lot, and have natural talent.
actually both trained hard, ronaldinho however...
>Be one of the best players on the planet for a period of time
>Decide to live like a degenerate
>Your team mates and manager tell you to get your shit together
>Ignore them, move back to Brazil and continue to live with your harem of trannies
Ermmm based?
>he could've saved his country from getting 7-1'd if he had the work ethic of Penaldo
sad!
Mbappe will retire as the best player of all time.
He combines natural talent for football, high iq overall and gifted physical performance.
His father himself also was gifted as a trainer. And he turned his son into a shining diamond.
This is a true top genius, born for football, raised for football.
Cr7 is still the goat in my eyes. Better club career, and has achieved more at different clubs around Europe. Messi was brought up by the brilliant system of Barca. Also I'd rather have Ronaldo in meaningful moments, big game player.
Ronaldo not being talented is a meme,he was cooking grown men at 17
ronaldo's better, it's just that messi has a better team
messi was still dribbling and showing decent joga bonito talent for his age, he would often surprise everyone with his skills in this wc
penaldo didn't do any of that, he was doing nothing but basic "professional european football", and didn't display any impressive plays
messi created a huge amount of chances and would often dribble through several players
you didn't see penaldo do any of that
I love Messi. He is just like me
Messi literally won because of the power of friendship lmao
why is Ronaldo laughing at the last pic? Shouldn't he be sad for losing the WC?
>Crissy can't roid his way to Soccer Cup
Sad! Guess she'll just have to grow a spine and stop crying all the time like a god damn f*moid.
>natural talent
I assume what you mean by this is how some people have genetics that make certain lifts and movements easier. But if you’re not working at those things, then obviously the guy who does them more often with more intensity is going to be better.
Real Life isn’t anime, bro. The universe ain’t out to get you because “I wasn’t born with natural talent”. No one fucking is. Just shut up and hit your set
>Real Life isn’t anime, bro. The universe ain’t out to get you because “I wasn’t born with natural talent”. No one fucking is. Just shut up and hit your set
LMFAO.
Ken Patera picked up a barbell for the first time at 16 and STRICT overhead pressed 100kg. Bill Kazmaier out pressed and buttblasted his grown man gym teacher at 13. Dorian Yates after six months of training natural looked better than men who blast 3g of anabolics and androgens for years. etc etc etc.
The same goes for everything. Talent, i.e. quick/instinctual ability, begets commitment which begets success.
No other feeling in the world like working your ass off in whatever competitive activity and finally going against and getting completely effortlessly destroyed by raw unwavering talent. It's the biggest reality check in the world straight into your gut at lightspeed.