People have been eating bread for millions of years and all of a sudden some meatheads on a laotian flyfishing forum claim that it’s actually bad for you and you shouldn’t eat it if you care about your body
People have been eating bread for millions of years and all of a sudden some meatheads on a laotian flyfishing forum claim that its actually bad fo...
not the same bread you moron
h'es just like me fr
>People have been eating bread for millions of years
no they have not you dumb retard, they've been eating bread for 10,000 years or less, and they also weren't eating shit bread from shartmart. grain based diets are a hallmark of agricultural civilization and it produces weak people
Cope ketotard
>grain based diets are a hallmark of agricultural civilization and it produces weak people
Yet those "weak people" slaughtered tribal hunter gatherers at will on sight. This is same sort of cringe as pagan larpers saying Christianity made White people weak then crying how Christians slaughtered or force converted pagans. Honk honk to you, sir.
>Yet those "weak people" slaughtered tribal hunter gatherers at will on sight.
That's more technology / civilization, not the peoplr themselves who are more like the domesticted pets of technological civilization.
You're like a cancer patient who's weirdly proud of how good his cancer is at spreading and destroying so many people like himself each year.
a hunter gatherer is more fit and skilled and everything about his body is better than his graincel peer living in a society. And, seeing as this is SwoleShack, that's all that matters. This is like saying goyslop is good for you because a fat burger can drone strike someone.
Those weak people had the cancer of civilization behind them, it was inevitable. Don't be stupid. We live in the situation we're born into but if you have the choice between eating like a hunter-gatherer or eating like everyone else then you should make the choice that's best for your body
ketotards are retarded, but the bread people ate up until the industrial revolution was actually bad for you due to the way the flour was ground (flour contained pebbles, fucked your teeth)
Not a ketotard, but you're completely wrong about agriculture.
>Contrary to popular belief it caused significantly more hunger than hunting / gathering ever did.
>The way archeologists pinpoint when a society switched to agriculture is literally to look for bone markers for health problems (tooth decay, growth arrest (Harris lines), anemia (porotic hyperostosis), scurvy, rickets, osteoperosis, etc.)
>Basically created the concept of poverty.
>Significantly decreased average leisure time.
>Generally promotes a soulless, sedentary yet high stress lifestyle disconnected from the rest of the natural world.
So how are those hunter gatherers doing? Have they invented the wheel yet?
they invented not getting cancer alzheimers diabetes and obesity
nice so they can live even longer and use their good memory to remember that they never evolved or invented anything
>nice so they can live even longer and use their good memory to remember that they never evolved or invented anything
You didn't evolve at all, your ancestors got buck broken into living in a society where they constantly farmed, and received free wives, there's literally NO evolutionary pressure in such a society.
The rich people got time to be creative, and you and your blood didn't see ANY benefits from that until the last 100 years.
>The society you live in spirals out of control and consunes most of the planet while you get autoimmune diseases, cancer, anxiety, and depression
>The society you live in remains simple and self-contained while you live a healthy and satisfied life
Both sound good, how do I choose?
>Consumes most of the planet
Jej, unironically go outside dumb ass nigga.
Outside where 80% of the night sky's celstial bodies have since been obscured by a smokescreen of artificial light and atmospheric industrial waste byproducts?
If you live in a city which is <.1% of the earths surface you stupid ass bozo
are you retarded? You think 99.9% of the earth's surface has clear skies?
Even where it is clear you see a satellite every ten seconds
You can't see satellites retard. No amount of your fucking deer meat only diet can give you 100x vision.
I keep getting trolled epic style
You are unironically the stupidest person ITT
7/10 pretty good troll post
you could absolutely see old Iridium satellites and still see the ISS you retard
How many hunter gatherers do you see around today? Even on their shit hole reservations they eat the same shit as civilized folk.
Yes, because the cancer of agriculture consumed the planet.
Eating food that is not the native people's native diet causes face malformations and messed up teeth. T
The israeli people in that picture would have eaten sprouted whole ancient grains that would have been extremely low sugar. You would despise healthy bread if forced to eat something other than the highly processed sugary, gmo crap they feed us now.
On top of that the israelites went to war constantly because they needed land. They need more land constantly because the sheep they would heard ate plants down to the root and they could not graze on the same land long.
You can choose how much sugar you put in your bread anon. Most recipes only call for a few grams anyway.
>how much sugar in your bread
do amerifats really?
Sugar slows yeast activity. Alot of people think it's food for yeast but they make tier own sugar. Italian bread has a few grams usually. Baguettes and sour doughs don't tho, but Frenchmen are fags and communist sympathizers so fuck off French. Verification not even required.
Our bread fucking sucks, shit taste like cake and it’s awful. Even pasta sauce has added sugar
>sugar in bread
Americans are disgusting.
>the society where humankind advances as a species
>the society where humankind stays on the level of animals
Make your choice, are you a man or an animal.
Losing your humanity to be a part of some bug man, hive mind workforce is much more desirable than living a life of strength and meaning. Fuck outta here chink
They didn't need to
>more people starved
>actively damaged peoples health
>made cavemen poor
>gave cavemen less time for SwoleShack
>disconnected cavemen from the natural world
Why did they do it bros? Were our ancestors retarded?
They were tricked by the israelite. The israelite's deceptions did not start with the making-up of "Jesus".
Multiple theories for why a lot of human civilizations around the world transitioned from hunting and gathering into agriculture ~10,000 years ago, the some being: 1. as human groups grew in size and they started driving animal species to extinction, hunting and gathering became less sustainable, 2. end of the ice age made soil softer and more fertile, making it possible, 3. hunters/gatherers who had extra time on their hands had the chance to experiment with domestication, 4. the ideas of ownership and private property turned nomadic groups sedentary, making agriculture a necessity as a main source of food
Quality post. Yes, it is in fact a strangely still open to this day question for why the neolithic revolution happened.
Most people assume it happened because it was simply better for humans to farm instead of hunting e.g. it provided greater food security or increased their nutrition. Yet the reality is agriculture did the exact opposite and dramatically reduced food security and a variety of health measures.
So pretty interesting topic whatever the explanation/s is or are.
I've encountered an intriguing hypothesis that has merit. Have you heard of the Younger Dryas Impact Hypothesis? It's been promoted by Graham Hancock and popularized by Bright Insight's Youtube channel. Really fascinating.
Essentially, the hypothesis is that a meteor struck the Earth and extinguished many of the species thought to be hunted to extinction by humans and destroyed any human civilization that may have existed (Atlantis, possibly located in present day Mauritania, for instance) and any remains have since been consumed by the sands of time. The Younger Dryas boundary is much like the KT boundary that was the first clue to the extinction of the dinosaurs. The Hiawatha crater, a probable impact site, was found in Greenland in the last few years.
Regardless of the timing of the impact, the Hiawatha crater is, as I understand it, almost certainly the origin of the Younger Dryas boundary, which represents scorched Earth covering North America, South America, Europe, and the Middle East (at least). The crater has been dated to be ~11,000 - 100,000 years old.
Anatomically modern humans survived a cataclysm equal to that of the dinosaurs. Fuck.
this map is so retarded it is actually mind blowing
farming and domestication of animals was rampant in the middle east and west asia 8000y ago too, europeans today are on average 60% descended from farmers
the bulk of the human population during the agricultural revolution was... in the same places where agriculture was practised lol
unless you're an eskimo or australian aboriginal you are adapted to eating carbs
>People have been sacrificing their daughters to the sun god since the beginning of time and all of a sudden some pasty retards from far away claim it's actually a bad thing and the sun will somehow rise anyway
I eat bread but your reasoning is stupid.
You're next on the altar.
>People have been sacrificing their daughters
>daughters
>You're next on the altar.
Are you saying he in fact WILL be a woman?
the agricultural revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race
Millions?
Ketofags are as cult-like as veganfags, both are cancer.
Lol genetic engineered wheat
This. The guy who genetically engineered modern wheat got a Nobel prize for it. Only problem is it’s not as digestible as it’s predecessor. But who cares about gluten sensitivity when you’re in the middle of a famine caused by an African civil war. The idea was that there would be more food available in the world so poor Africans wouldn’t starve. Viola, Nobel prize.
People have been eating nutritionally rich real bread made from manually processed ingredients coming from genetically unmodified unselected breeds of plants for thousands of years, and all of a sudden ~~*(the food industry*~~) floods the global market with massive amounts of unbeliavably bad, nutritionally poor, super processed products made with the cheapest and easiest to mass produce ingredients they can come up with
So yeah mate, people did eat their bread for quite a while but you're missing some details there
Bread now is very different from 5000 years ago, and the great majority of """bread""" you find is straight up garbage. You do whatever you want, I'll keep being mindful of what I eat, thank you
Are there recipes for bread resembling that of our ancestors? Are there any brands of bread sold that are like that?
Kinda depends how far back your talking. There are serving cook books from Roman times. And archeologists have analyzed ancient breads. Ingredients were flour water and yeast. Health wise replicating using old strains of wheat and what not is definitely more trouble than it's worth unless you have a YouTube channel.
Damn. Should bread just be avoided then?
No? As in all things on fit if you have to ask it probably doesn't apply. I doubt you live your life in the most optimal way in all aspects that the bottleneck is eating a sandwich for lunch once in a while.
>I doubt you live your life in the most optimal way in all aspects that the bottleneck is eating a sandwich for lunch once in a while.
One of the most reasonable posts on this thread.
NTA but like, in general we use grains because they're cheap and easy and we can grow them. It's not like it's poison, so you don't have to really avoid it so much, but nevertheless, if you can eat something better then grain based stuff is subpar in my opinion
personally I don't buy bread anymore because one, I don't have it very much when I do buy a loaf and it goes bad before I can use it, and two, I have stuff like sweet potatoes or whatever with my meat and I never felt like I really needed bread. But I won't stop myself from having a sandwich or whatever sometimes.
Soak your grains and use sourdough with long fermentations to make the grains more digestible
>”there’s a psyop where people are promoting keto”
>nonstop pro carb shit from the same homosexual using his reddit ketolard crap
Really makes you think
People have been drinking beer for thousands of years and some people claim that drinking litres of vodka per day is actually bad for you and you shouldn't drink it if you care about your body.
OnlyUseMeBread
I eat bread every day, but the bread we eat today is made from GMO wheat that bears little resemblance to wheat that our ancestors ate.
There's probably a difference between bread made at home from wheat grown and milled a mile away without industrial machinery vs what's on the market today for mass consumption. Regardless of all that, I lost the most weight cutting out breads and pastas. Potatoes, meat, veg and fruit in balanced proportions. Touch of cream in the coffee and eggs for dairy, but that was it.
> Eggs for dairy
>There's probably a difference between bread made at home from wheat grown and milled a mile away without industrial machinery vs what's on the market today for mass consumption
there's almost no difference actually, the biggest difference is whether or not you use the whole grain
but white bread and whole wheat bread were a thing in the medieval age it's not something that requires advanced machinery
I'm gonna let you dumb illiterate diseased mongoloids in on a little fitness secret. Fats AND sugar are both bad for you!!!
nah bro that's crazy talk
it's just [whichever macronutrient I happen to like the leaast] that's the problem
Civtards never change.
>millions of years
You're literally retarded, humans have only eaten bread for a few thousand years which a blink of an eye against the tens of millions of years that it took for humans to evolve a particular physiology with highly specific diets and digestive tracts meant for meat, nuts, fruits, berries, seeds, leafy greens, and sometimes legumes. Grain has not been used on a mass scale until pretty much yesterday in the evolutionary timescale, which is why we are profoundly poorly-adapted to eat it. God it is so fucking annoying how retarded people like you are, coming onto this board shitting all over it with your homosexual ideas that you got literally without reading or researching anything
Thanks for your retarded opinion, go back to school
Go eat it then. No one gives a fuck in the least if you want to eat the garbage they call "bread" these days. Try iy. Go go buy some at the store. Eat it. No one will care. I'm not going to eat and no one should care either and if they do they can go die in a sewage pipe.
People have also been eating and boiling water out of lead containers for thousands of years, maybe you should go do that.
>people inhaled asbestos for fun. why don't you do that
do you really think this is a good argument?
the people who ate bread all the time absolutely mogged hunter gatherers.
bread was never an issue and never will be.
>the people who ate bread all the time absolutely mogged hunter gatherers.
Only if you conflate size of their societies with individual health.
White bread is shit for you, the rest is fine
>millions of years
I don't think that's quite right anon