it's not going to destroy your knees if you don't put weight on them by lifting properly.
There is nothing that is happening biomechanically in a proper split squat that is causing impingement, as in bone on soft tissue, it's purely soft tissue tension. You relieve that tension by doing the lift properly while also applying a moderate amount of tension on the soft tissues to build them over time.
Over time you should build your knees with this exercise, not break them down. If you are breaking them down it's either a form problem or a recovery problem, or you are roiding.
they are even worse because on every step you put a lot of pressure on your knee. just do squats and leg press. people claim leg extensions are dangerous but i would prefer them over lunges as long as the leg extensions are being done with low weight, in a slow motion and high mind-muscle activation
>says lunges are bad for knees >recommends leg extensions
now I know you know nothing of biomechanics. Again, the reason why split squats and lunges will be bad for your knees is that you prioritize bending them instead of your hips. The bodypart that is bending is the fulcrum, and the load will be greatest at the spot most proximal to the fulcrum. If you have two joints bending in unison, the load is spread out more.
Range of motion is also a thing that needs to be improved upon instead of just trying to progressively overload with mechanical tension.
theres a big ass roided fuck in my gym who always does these with like 40kg dumbbells and walks across the whole gym during a set.
like an elephant trying to cause an earth quake
>make up a claim with nothing to back it off
great thread OP
literally everything will put pressure on your knees
do you think squats dont put pressure on your knees?
if anything you probably less likely to overload with single leg exercises since you need to balance etc.
you are literally on the same level of normies who say squats are bad for your knees without elaborating on it
I find it hilarious how people only ever think in the short-term, and do all the "best" exercises for "maximum results" without taking into account that the best lifts might actually be the very worst for your longevity and that you'll end up a FAT DYEL non-lifter if you keep insisting on forcing yourself to do all the 'best' lifts just because theyre the 'best' in theory, without ever considering the long-term consequences.
Id rather do the 5th best exercise if it means I can do the 5th best exercise for 100 years, versus only being able to do the very best exercise for maybe 10 years at best
First time I did lunges my knee was FUCKED the next day doing all kinds of cracking sounds.
When I started doing them with a 45° angle on the knee the problem went away
yes and they are very demanding. i stopped because of pain too. it didnt matter if I initiated the movement with my hips etc.
Then the movement was too much for you, that is when you regress. The movement itself is not bad, it is your own body that is bad at the movement. Unilateral hip and knee flexion is a natural movement. You likely do not do much of these movements in your life, which means your knees are weak.
You also likely did it with too much range of motion or too much weight if you had weight. There are ways to regress and kneesovertoes guy is probably who you want to look at for strengthening your knees.
I work in flooring and split squats are about the only leg exercise I can consistently do pain free. If I could do regular back squats I would never mess with them because they take forever to do an equivalent volume
I would use bodyweight and build range of motion first so that you can train your body to do the movement without compensatory movements, then you can add weight. Take perhaps 1-3 months doing it without weight or with little weight, like 20-40 pounds. It takes up to 3 months for your tendons to adapt to an exercise.
Multijoint exercises are high skill exercises and this is a movement that isn't really done much anymore.
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focus on balancing and "proper" form as there a lot of proper forms for this depending on what you want
you can make em into a single leg good morning/hip hinge for ass and hips
or do em straight like a regular squat
but it sure is fuckin cardio cause i fail on about 15th rep purely for being out of breath
I use about 120 lbs (2 x 60 lbs) which is about my 9-10 rep max per leg. I go until I hit failure with my right leg wait 30 seconds then repeat on the other side.
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focus on balancing and "proper" form as there a lot of proper forms for this depending on what you want
you can make em into a single leg good morning/hip hinge for ass and hips
or do em straight like a regular squat
but it sure is fuckin cardio cause i fail on about 15th rep purely for being out of breath
goblet squat is pretty gentle and keeps your center of gravity in a place that makes you feel safer when squatting. While you build strength and confidence in the movement before you try harder things. I prefer to workout my legs mostly though cardio
sliding leg curls and RDLs / SLRDLs
this too definitely do hamstring isolations if you can. I like rings for these but they look retarded.
theres a guy on youtube who build good amount of muscle with mostly high reps body weight exercises (e.g. 525 bw squat session). im not sure if all that friction is good on your joints either tho
he also rows for like an hour a day. Squats with real weight, bench presses, and does a lot of other shit. I like Kboges but until he explicitly spells out a formulas for routines and stuff like that like how he does with his clients I can't see his videos as anything but glorified advertisements.
I do these, reverse lunges with a safety squat bar, run trails, then go skiing all winter. You're either eating like shit or a genetic mistake; either way, fix it.
i believe the problem with this exercise is that youre never fully balanced. one dumbbell is always closer to the working leg than the other one. your body has to constantly compensate for the suboptimal stability. therefore the pressure of the dumbbells on your knees is always slightly shifting and rarely perfectly in line with your shins. especially on the upward motion this may be the cause of knee pain.
i guess you think anything working stabilization muscles is bad for you huh lmao
these fucking IST posters
the retardation is a fucking meme at this point
post body with timestamp moron
i'm [...]
been doing this shit for 17 years dude
if my knees are fine now, they always will be
sorry about your garbage genes lol
actually i'll stop being a dick and help you out a bit
if you're having issues with your knees doing this exercise
IT'S YOUR SHITTY FORM
your front leg should be wayyy out in front
and you don't have to go ass to grass like a fucking retard
use hip hinge instead of your knee to lower the weight, if it's destroying your knees you are going knees over toes
doesnt matter. still destroys your knees, especially in the long run. claiming its a form issue is cope.
it's not going to destroy your knees if you don't put weight on them by lifting properly.
There is nothing that is happening biomechanically in a proper split squat that is causing impingement, as in bone on soft tissue, it's purely soft tissue tension. You relieve that tension by doing the lift properly while also applying a moderate amount of tension on the soft tissues to build them over time.
Over time you should build your knees with this exercise, not break them down. If you are breaking them down it's either a form problem or a recovery problem, or you are roiding.
are walking lunges better?
cause thats what i do kek
they are even worse because on every step you put a lot of pressure on your knee. just do squats and leg press. people claim leg extensions are dangerous but i would prefer them over lunges as long as the leg extensions are being done with low weight, in a slow motion and high mind-muscle activation
>says lunges are bad for knees
>recommends leg extensions
now I know you know nothing of biomechanics. Again, the reason why split squats and lunges will be bad for your knees is that you prioritize bending them instead of your hips. The bodypart that is bending is the fulcrum, and the load will be greatest at the spot most proximal to the fulcrum. If you have two joints bending in unison, the load is spread out more.
Range of motion is also a thing that needs to be improved upon instead of just trying to progressively overload with mechanical tension.
theres a big ass roided fuck in my gym who always does these with like 40kg dumbbells and walks across the whole gym during a set.
like an elephant trying to cause an earth quake
>make up a claim with nothing to back it off
great thread OP
literally everything will put pressure on your knees
do you think squats dont put pressure on your knees?
if anything you probably less likely to overload with single leg exercises since you need to balance etc.
you are literally on the same level of normies who say squats are bad for your knees without elaborating on it
sorry about your shitty genetics and/or form anon
i've been lifting for like 17 years and i have zero issus with this
i go heavy as fuck with it too
I find it hilarious how people only ever think in the short-term, and do all the "best" exercises for "maximum results" without taking into account that the best lifts might actually be the very worst for your longevity and that you'll end up a FAT DYEL non-lifter if you keep insisting on forcing yourself to do all the 'best' lifts just because theyre the 'best' in theory, without ever considering the long-term consequences.
Id rather do the 5th best exercise if it means I can do the 5th best exercise for 100 years, versus only being able to do the very best exercise for maybe 10 years at best
First time I did lunges my knee was FUCKED the next day doing all kinds of cracking sounds.
When I started doing them with a 45° angle on the knee the problem went away
I used to lay awake in my bed with knee pain until I stopped doing the exercises, no pain ever since
they were fun tho
yes and they are very demanding. i stopped because of pain too. it didnt matter if I initiated the movement with my hips etc.
Then the movement was too much for you, that is when you regress. The movement itself is not bad, it is your own body that is bad at the movement. Unilateral hip and knee flexion is a natural movement. You likely do not do much of these movements in your life, which means your knees are weak.
You also likely did it with too much range of motion or too much weight if you had weight. There are ways to regress and kneesovertoes guy is probably who you want to look at for strengthening your knees.
https://mailchi.mp/ad04be41eb3c/knee-ability-zero-the-picture-book?e
i only feel my ass burning doing those
nice feeling tbh
>another OP talks out his ass about an exercise he doesn't like thread
if digits you and dog get monkey pox
I work in flooring and split squats are about the only leg exercise I can consistently do pain free. If I could do regular back squats I would never mess with them because they take forever to do an equivalent volume
What's a good weight to use on these?
I would use bodyweight and build range of motion first so that you can train your body to do the movement without compensatory movements, then you can add weight. Take perhaps 1-3 months doing it without weight or with little weight, like 20-40 pounds. It takes up to 3 months for your tendons to adapt to an exercise.
Multijoint exercises are high skill exercises and this is a movement that isn't really done much anymore.
Thanks, I will practice it in my rest days
I use about 120 lbs (2 x 60 lbs) which is about my 9-10 rep max per leg. I go until I hit failure with my right leg wait 30 seconds then repeat on the other side.
none
focus on balancing and "proper" form as there a lot of proper forms for this depending on what you want
you can make em into a single leg good morning/hip hinge for ass and hips
or do em straight like a regular squat
but it sure is fuckin cardio cause i fail on about 15th rep purely for being out of breath
This must be the most painful exercise I've ever done. What is the alternative if I only have dumbbells? Are squats enough?
sliding leg curls and RDLs / SLRDLs
goblet squat is pretty gentle and keeps your center of gravity in a place that makes you feel safer when squatting. While you build strength and confidence in the movement before you try harder things. I prefer to workout my legs mostly though cardio
this too definitely do hamstring isolations if you can. I like rings for these but they look retarded.
theres a guy on youtube who build good amount of muscle with mostly high reps body weight exercises (e.g. 525 bw squat session). im not sure if all that friction is good on your joints either tho
he also rows for like an hour a day. Squats with real weight, bench presses, and does a lot of other shit. I like Kboges but until he explicitly spells out a formulas for routines and stuff like that like how he does with his clients I can't see his videos as anything but glorified advertisements.
I do these, reverse lunges with a safety squat bar, run trails, then go skiing all winter. You're either eating like shit or a genetic mistake; either way, fix it.
i believe the problem with this exercise is that youre never fully balanced. one dumbbell is always closer to the working leg than the other one. your body has to constantly compensate for the suboptimal stability. therefore the pressure of the dumbbells on your knees is always slightly shifting and rarely perfectly in line with your shins. especially on the upward motion this may be the cause of knee pain.
i guess you think anything working stabilization muscles is bad for you huh lmao
these fucking IST posters
the retardation is a fucking meme at this point
post body with timestamp moron
Enjoy knee surgery gay
i'm
been doing this shit for 17 years dude
if my knees are fine now, they always will be
sorry about your garbage genes lol
actually i'll stop being a dick and help you out a bit
if you're having issues with your knees doing this exercise
IT'S YOUR SHITTY FORM
your front leg should be wayyy out in front
and you don't have to go ass to grass like a fucking retard
Thought the whole point of one leg accessories was to avoid knee problems.
These and pistol squats are all I do
That's not how running looks like.