practically speaking you only need to get up to blue belt to have enough skill to take on anyone in the street. If you do bjj and the other guy doesn't, and you get him on the ground, you're gonna win. That being said, guys that do pure bjj can get surprised by real fights with punching and takedowns and end up knocked out.
If you do BJJ, mix in wrestling or judo. You can win fights as a pure grappler but you need a takedown art to go with bjj.
It should be noted too, that grappling on asphalt can get you killed. Your focus should be getting the top position so you don't risk getting your head smacked on the concrete.
It should be noted too, that grappling on asphalt can get you killed. Your focus should be getting the top position so you don't risk getting your head smacked on the concrete.
also that fucking around in grappling positions on the streets is a fun way to get your head kicked in by 3 of the guy's friend.
The multiple attackers argument is the weakest argument against grappling.
First, it is true that you can take on multiple attackers with boxing, specifically, Mike Tysons peek-a-boo style, however, If you are fighting multiple people with fighting experience, one of them is gonna close the distance and take you down. The point is that EVERY fight goes to the ground at some point for some time. If you can't grapple, you'll have no way to stand back up to your feet to keep boxing. You need grappling so you can keep yourself on your feet. Most of the time, the only time the peak-a-boo boxing style works on multiple opponents is when they have no fighting experience.
it might be good practice to stage 2 or 3 on 1 grappling sparring matches where the objective is for the 1 guy to stay on his feet as long as possible against the other 3, so you can practice getting back up when your jumped.
very very hard thing to do.
What Charlie is doing there is an example of one of the most useful aspects of bjj. Before that was taken, he got punched in the face and rocked. He went to his back to recover because his opponent didn't dare risk getting in his guard or getting his legs entangled. Of you get hurt, bjj gives you options better than staggering around on your feet and getting knocked out.
You know that if any of these "NEVER grapple in da streetz bro" fags ever took a hard punch they would be reaching and holding for dear life. Same when they gas in 30 seconds. Grappling is part of every backup plan.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Pretty much, yeah. A guy can't punch you when you're latched around him like a koala bear.
What Charlie is doing there is an example of one of the most useful aspects of bjj. Before that was taken, he got punched in the face and rocked. He went to his back to recover because his opponent didn't dare risk getting in his guard or getting his legs entangled. Of you get hurt, bjj gives you options better than staggering around on your feet and getting knocked out.
see attached gif:
https://i.imgur.com/Zdm1wGi.gif
it's meme shit, they're still riding the coat tails of the glory days from 30 years ago when royce gracie beat up a bunch of mcdojo retards in a couple of UFCs.
It's a sport.
1 year ago
Anonymous
What is your point? The other person is also very good at grappling.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>The other person is also very good at grappling.
the one getting their face stomped in, or the stomper
1 year ago
Anonymous
Stomper is a bjj black belt
1 year ago
Anonymous
What exactly will you do when you get rocked if you refuse to train grappling?
1 year ago
Anonymous
Anyone who is "anti-BJJ" or whatever they label themselves as is highly delusional and thinks they would never be in a situation where submission grappling could be useful. They have fantasies of fighting off multiple attackers in a street fight with their hands because they are sheltered suburbanites. Most people have extremely inflated senses of how good they are at grappling (especially regarding headlocks and rear-naked chokes), including these people, hence why they think BJJ is worthless.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I've trained bjj for year and you just have to accept that it's more of a sport than a system that would help for violence/self defense. Per time and energy spent, learning to box is the best possible investment for self-defense, bar none. If you're already a good boxer, then learning grappling is valuable, so that you don't lose the 1v1s if it gets to that.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I agree with your assessment for sure. >learning to box
If you are including kickboxing (Muay Thai), I agree with that, too. However, I think you should also consider wrestling as a great self-defense martial art, because wrestling makes you highly explosive and you can disengage a situation very easily (double leg takedown into sprinting away). Not to mention your cardio (most important thing in a self defense situation) becomes incredible with wrestling.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Pretty much, yeah. A guy can't punch you when you're latched around him like a koala bear.
what he's doing there is using his nutsack as a shield because its against the rules of the sport to kick to the groin.
it doesnt work as well in a self defense situation
1 year ago
Anonymous
If he tries to kick you in the nuts that means he's close enough to catch an upkick to the face.
It's not a great place to be, but if you find yourself getting rocked or on the ground its a hell of a lot better than exposing your back or the back of your head. You need to fight your way out of this position
Do you mean lifting and BJJ and judo? Unless you are doing a business major (lol) that sounds pretty impossible. Whatever you are actively learning you should be doing 3x a week minimum. 2 classes a week of BJJ or 2 classes a week of Judo will give you very slow progress.
So 1 of them definitely has to give. I would ask yourself why you're doing lifting & BJJ & Judo. >i want bigger muscles
Lift 3x a week, stop doing BJJ or Judo, and do the one you didn't stop doing 2x a week. >i want to get better at submission grappling
Lift 1x a week, do BJJ 3x–4x a week, do Judo 0–1x a week >i want to get better at stand-up grappling
Lift 1x a week, do BJJ 0–1x a week, do Judo 3–4x a week
BJJ is not a meme, it’s pretty legit, but as anon pointed out >guys that do pure bjj can get surprised by real fights with punching and takedowns and end up knocked out
I would consider myself above average but still a very amateur fighter with experience in stand-up and groundwork. In sparring, I’ve beaten better grapplers by using superior stand up and avoiding takedowns, I’ve also beaten better strikers by having superior groundwork after getting a solid takedown.
A lot of people with striking experience may not expect a shoot, into a single, or double-leg takedown, whereas a lot of career grapplers can get punched in the face and it completely throws them off. One of the toughest competition fighters I know, started with his stand-up, very heavy Muay Thai for years, then later on started doing BJJ; he dominates in competition, often times having much less grappling experience than the other MMA fighters.
TLDR; if a guy has heavy cauliflower ear, he’s probably gonna try a shoot and takedown, don’t let him get you to the ground, keep the fight standing. If a guy goes into a perfect Boxing stance, maybe don’t trade strikes with him, instead try and do a takedown, then use your grappling.
it's meme shit, they're still riding the coat tails of the glory days from 30 years ago when royce gracie beat up a bunch of mcdojo retards in a couple of UFCs.
It is. I like bjj and it is important to know but the only complete martial art is sambo. The rest of the martial arts are memes you need to combine. I am a boxer and thai boxer and I was as out of my depth going into grappling as a grappler is when untrained at striking. You have to know both striking and grappling or you're doomed to get stomped by those who do.
Practically speaking? It depends.
Most people don't know how to fight. So taking someone down and submitting them or breaking their face with hammer fists will do the trick in most situations. However, there is also concrete and asphalt to take into consideration!
But also, most people never get into a street fight, including BJJ practitioners (who also don't practice takedowns as much as they should).
If you want to learn to fight, you should take some classes at an MMA gym. You'll learn enough BJJ to be dangerous in a fight with your average person, and even a pretty advanced BJJ person in a real fight.
>WTF bro, these sissies don’t even wanna cripple themselves for live during training, bjj is bullshit
Also, he probably took you to a beginner class where they don’t do takedowns since most white belts are retarded enough to brake an arm or something while falling. My gym always starts standing unless we’re training concrete positions
Breakfalls don't take very long to learn and was one of the first things I ever learned in a BJJ class back in the day. Sorely missing from most modern BJJ schools.
anyone ever have problems with disease at a mma gym?
One guy came in to the gym with full blown herpes once. I've been paranoid about catching shit like monkypox ever since.
>is it fun
Yes BJJ is very fun. >will i learn a lot
Yes you will learn a lot about grappling and mobility. >gains?
You will develop a lot of core, shoulder, neck, and forearm strength (and size) that lifting will never give you. >self-defense
If you want to learn self-defense you should practice all sorts of martial arts and also buy and learn to use a gun and also get tactical/awareness training.
Did you have any specific questions about it? Most gyms have a free trial period or it costs like $10 or something. So you have pretty much nothing to lose by trying it yourself. Anyone who says "BJJ doesn't work" or whatever retarded meaningless blanket statement 100% has never done BJJ. And there is no point in garnering someone's opinion on something they have no knowledge about.
lol unless you live in NYC or california there is a 99% chance that you have between 0 and 1 sambo instructors near you. and that 1 that you may have may or may not be legit. not to mention it's a completely different martial art from BJJ anyway. what a dumb post.
>post about if OP should do jiu-jitsu (he's speaking in English and didn't specify his country of origin so he's 100% from the USA) >random post about sambo >i point out no one can train sambo in the US because it's not available, so your post is retarded >you get assmad
Are you implying OP should move countries or what? lol your comprehension of English and your common sense are both so bad.
>OP writes English so probably from England >asks about BJJ so could be Brazilian. >mention Sambo as Sambo fighters do good in mma >starts rambling about muh new york muh california out of nowhere.
just go kys
You write like an actual schizophrenic. Do you have CTE from Sambo or something?
1 year ago
Anonymous
you are a retard. English is a language with it roots in England. Jiu-jitsu is a sport with it roots in Japan. Brazilian Jiu-jitsu is a sport with its roots in Brazil. Sambo is a sport with it roots in Russia. it really blows my mind how a retard like you makes a connection with new york and california.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>it really blows my mind how a retard like you makes a connection with new york and california.
If you can't figure out how I know niche gyms are only present in the most highly-populated areas of a country, only God can help you.
>english comes from england, therefore an english speaker is probably english
This is something a 5 year old who can't define "population" would say.
I've never seen a person with such a lack of common sense before. I unironically hope you are schizophrenic rather than this severely retarded.
1 year ago
Anonymous
no one asked about you or your country. Go bother someone else about where you come from. In England they speak English, in Spain they speak Spanish, in Germany they speak German etc etc. Stop claiming a language that is not yours. You don't have an own language period.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>no one in america speaks english
My amazement with what you come up parallels my concern for your physical and mental health.
>sambo >NYC or California >Doesn't know which based state contains the capital of South America >or the one where all the illegals cross into
The absolute state of (You).
Have fun with my governor's gifts
>Guy at the bar is giving me shit >Oi right m8 Imma fuck your shit up >Grab his hand and lay on the ground on my back >He doesn't get on top of me >Uh oh >He kicks me in the head instead >Wake up half an hour later missing teeth and with a broken nose
BJJ never again
>getting into a fight with multiple people with knives
Boxingcels are retarded. If that shit happens you run. If it's a 1v1 you can handle, you still run. If someone grabs you, now with bjj/wrestling/judo in your pocket, you have a weapon to use.
Fun (cerebral)
Healthy (physical activity)
Escaping (getting out of grabs/groundfighting)
Restraining (Locking people without hurting them)
Competition (MMA / BJJ tournaments)
Con:
Self-defense (Mostly useless, they can come in groups and if anyone has a knife you're done on the ground)
Takedowns (BJJ has little to no focus on takedowns. You need some judo or wrestling for that)
People (Most practitioners are mystery meat)
Peace (unlike japanese styles, the spiritual/mindfulness aspect is completely absent)
>Self-defense
In that case there's no possible way to ever defend yourself no matter what because someone could just show up with an assault rifle and magdump you.
99.999% of self defense is some bum sucker punching you or tackling you before you can react.
You need bjj if you want to do mma. If you don't know how to defend submissions you're going to get fucked.
If you're talking about street fighting, no you don't need bjj. Bjj gives some bad habits like making you think you're good if your back is on the ground. Even if intellectually you know that's a bad place to be, you'll fall back on your training.
For self defence porpuses the only reason to learn bjj is to be able to get someone off you and get up as soon as possible.
Otherwise is ok to know submissions but is more important to be able to hit hard and fast to finish fights in one punch and to have good takedown defence to avoid the ground as much as possible.
Do mma, you will learn everything worth learning of bjj without the parts that are a waste of time + tdd + striking.
If you must, try bjj for a few months but really isn't that worth it unless you are really into it.
And even then you should still cross train to cover the deficiencies of your style, whatever it might be.
Just know that in self defense implying both of you are unarmed the ground is the worst place to be even if you know bjj.
wtf are you talking about fallacies for? This isn't a debate, Ben Shapiro. You gave horrible advice that a bunch of retards give which was "Just do MMA" and that's what I'm pointing out.
I would point out the fallacy fallacy but then I would be committing it. I feel as though I am losing here.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Trying to pull the old appeal to emotions of losing eh? another predictable fallacy. next you will say I committed the predicting what the opponent will say fallacy other wise known as putting words in the opponents mouth. Point out that fallacy is in itself and appeal to one-up-manship which is not a fallacy but is bad sportsmanship.
1 year ago
Anonymous
The old 'my mum has a dumptruck ass that gets ploughed by any dude with a spare 50' fallacy. Predictable.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Not as predictable as the fallacy your mom made last night!
1 year ago
Anonymous
My joke was funnier
1 year ago
Anonymous
>I committed the predicting what the opponent will say fallacy
The ole' Joseph Joestar fallacy, a classic
just in case nobody answered you OP, jiu jitsu is pretty effective and legit. especially if you go to a decent competitive gym or a sport jiu jitsu school. it's pressure tested throughout the ages, of course you're not gonna be doing lapel guard shit on the street or going from deep half waiter sweep to a backtake but if you train hard you will be fine in a "real life" scenario. i'd bet money on any podium blue belt from a medium sized IBJJF bracket being able to handle himself in 95% of 1 on 1 scenarios
You cant learn mma without learning bjj. Just go to mma classes and learn some grappling. You'll lose most fights if u fight in mma and dont know bjj. And only do no gi bjj if youre in mma.
Sorry I don't want to make a new thread for this, but what are the best combat sports for a female who wants to have a more fun way to exercise? I don't expect to be able to take down the average guy, but I want to use my gym gains to do something. Judo?
BJJ is the best martial art for females who don't have training partners. Judo is really fun but gonna be harder to train if you can only partner up with heavier females or males. I would only recommend striking if you have a training partner. I would not recommend wrestling.
>meme belts they force you to buy
I have never encountered this in any BJJ gym. Why are you posting in a BJJ thread when you've never done BJJ? The worst type of person.
did kickboxing and kyokushin karate. I saw ufc a while back and decided i need to learn to fight om the ground. On my first judo/jujitsu class the sensei noticed i'm moving different from a noob and asked me after class to stay a bit longer. Asked him why i was here. Told him i'm here just to defend myself from grapplers as i'm confident i can fight most random guys. He put on his gloves, i put mine and we started sparring lightly. When we first got in a clinch he told me "you lost now". 1 second later he was choking me and i couldn't do anything else other than submit.
Yeah, if you wanna simulate a real life and death situation where you can't go for the balls, judo/jujitsu is for you, it teaches to kill. Like 80% of takedowns imply you fall full weight on your oponents thorax. It's not even your weight that does tha damage, but the chaos where you are in control and he has no idea which bodypart will hit concrete.
Also, grappling without striking is useless too, i front kicked the solar plexus of one of his better students and he vomited. He only lightly sparred and never had real conditioning. He probably can kill me with judo/jujitsu only rules.
tl;dr judo/jujitsu is a good martial art, but you need to know how to defend from other type of attacks too.
>When we first got in a clinch
that was the moment I knew you were a butthurt graplingfag. Tell me me more stories that never happened.
Judo and Jiu-jitsu fighters tend to lean forward and put all their weight on their front leg. Someone who train's kickboxing and kyokushin would hit that leg with low kicks like a kid in a candy store and keep distance. Thats when I knew you never watch other martial arts and never even saw a gym from the inside. You are that typical fat guy that watches ppv mma and thinks he's a master in martial arts.
But please, keep going with your mma fan faction. You have talent.
Not him, but I can't believe you typed this entire post in such anger because you couldn't imagine a clinch -> guillotine situation or a clinch -> back take -> standing RNC situation. Your writing skills are definitely better than your critical thinking skills lol.
I’m a blue belt In bjj and the one street fight I got in we were both drunk, I took him down, I passed to mount instantly, and I rape choked/punched him in the face. It was over within 30 seconds and was pure muscle memory.
The only thing I remember being weird is I had to actually think about punching him because I never done that in class.
practically speaking you only need to get up to blue belt to have enough skill to take on anyone in the street. If you do bjj and the other guy doesn't, and you get him on the ground, you're gonna win. That being said, guys that do pure bjj can get surprised by real fights with punching and takedowns and end up knocked out.
If you do BJJ, mix in wrestling or judo. You can win fights as a pure grappler but you need a takedown art to go with bjj.
It should be noted too, that grappling on asphalt can get you killed. Your focus should be getting the top position so you don't risk getting your head smacked on the concrete.
The whole point of white belt is learning to sweep and escape, brainlet
also that fucking around in grappling positions on the streets is a fun way to get your head kicked in by 3 of the guy's friend.
The multiple attackers argument is the weakest argument against grappling.
First, it is true that you can take on multiple attackers with boxing, specifically, Mike Tysons peek-a-boo style, however, If you are fighting multiple people with fighting experience, one of them is gonna close the distance and take you down. The point is that EVERY fight goes to the ground at some point for some time. If you can't grapple, you'll have no way to stand back up to your feet to keep boxing. You need grappling so you can keep yourself on your feet. Most of the time, the only time the peak-a-boo boxing style works on multiple opponents is when they have no fighting experience.
it might be good practice to stage 2 or 3 on 1 grappling sparring matches where the objective is for the 1 guy to stay on his feet as long as possible against the other 3, so you can practice getting back up when your jumped.
very very hard thing to do.
>The point is that EVERY fight goes to the ground at some point for some time.
no.
yes.
What Charlie is doing there is an example of one of the most useful aspects of bjj. Before that was taken, he got punched in the face and rocked. He went to his back to recover because his opponent didn't dare risk getting in his guard or getting his legs entangled. Of you get hurt, bjj gives you options better than staggering around on your feet and getting knocked out.
>BJJ unlocks mid-fight naps for HP recovery
You know that if any of these "NEVER grapple in da streetz bro" fags ever took a hard punch they would be reaching and holding for dear life. Same when they gas in 30 seconds. Grappling is part of every backup plan.
see attached gif:
What is your point? The other person is also very good at grappling.
>The other person is also very good at grappling.
the one getting their face stomped in, or the stomper
Stomper is a bjj black belt
What exactly will you do when you get rocked if you refuse to train grappling?
Anyone who is "anti-BJJ" or whatever they label themselves as is highly delusional and thinks they would never be in a situation where submission grappling could be useful. They have fantasies of fighting off multiple attackers in a street fight with their hands because they are sheltered suburbanites. Most people have extremely inflated senses of how good they are at grappling (especially regarding headlocks and rear-naked chokes), including these people, hence why they think BJJ is worthless.
I've trained bjj for year and you just have to accept that it's more of a sport than a system that would help for violence/self defense. Per time and energy spent, learning to box is the best possible investment for self-defense, bar none. If you're already a good boxer, then learning grappling is valuable, so that you don't lose the 1v1s if it gets to that.
I agree with your assessment for sure.
>learning to box
If you are including kickboxing (Muay Thai), I agree with that, too. However, I think you should also consider wrestling as a great self-defense martial art, because wrestling makes you highly explosive and you can disengage a situation very easily (double leg takedown into sprinting away). Not to mention your cardio (most important thing in a self defense situation) becomes incredible with wrestling.
Pretty much, yeah. A guy can't punch you when you're latched around him like a koala bear.
what he's doing there is using his nutsack as a shield because its against the rules of the sport to kick to the groin.
it doesnt work as well in a self defense situation
If he tries to kick you in the nuts that means he's close enough to catch an upkick to the face.
It's not a great place to be, but if you find yourself getting rocked or on the ground its a hell of a lot better than exposing your back or the back of your head. You need to fight your way out of this position
how do I balance school with gym 5x a week, bjj AND judo? I'm not iron man
cut out 2 or 3 gym routines. the martial arts are more than enough work out.
Do you mean lifting and BJJ and judo? Unless you are doing a business major (lol) that sounds pretty impossible. Whatever you are actively learning you should be doing 3x a week minimum. 2 classes a week of BJJ or 2 classes a week of Judo will give you very slow progress.
So 1 of them definitely has to give. I would ask yourself why you're doing lifting & BJJ & Judo.
>i want bigger muscles
Lift 3x a week, stop doing BJJ or Judo, and do the one you didn't stop doing 2x a week.
>i want to get better at submission grappling
Lift 1x a week, do BJJ 3x–4x a week, do Judo 0–1x a week
>i want to get better at stand-up grappling
Lift 1x a week, do BJJ 0–1x a week, do Judo 3–4x a week
BJJ is not a meme, it’s pretty legit, but as anon pointed out
>guys that do pure bjj can get surprised by real fights with punching and takedowns and end up knocked out
I would consider myself above average but still a very amateur fighter with experience in stand-up and groundwork. In sparring, I’ve beaten better grapplers by using superior stand up and avoiding takedowns, I’ve also beaten better strikers by having superior groundwork after getting a solid takedown.
A lot of people with striking experience may not expect a shoot, into a single, or double-leg takedown, whereas a lot of career grapplers can get punched in the face and it completely throws them off. One of the toughest competition fighters I know, started with his stand-up, very heavy Muay Thai for years, then later on started doing BJJ; he dominates in competition, often times having much less grappling experience than the other MMA fighters.
TLDR; if a guy has heavy cauliflower ear, he’s probably gonna try a shoot and takedown, don’t let him get you to the ground, keep the fight standing. If a guy goes into a perfect Boxing stance, maybe don’t trade strikes with him, instead try and do a takedown, then use your grappling.
it's meme shit, they're still riding the coat tails of the glory days from 30 years ago when royce gracie beat up a bunch of mcdojo retards in a couple of UFCs.
It's a sport.
BJJ isn't a meme.
It is. I like bjj and it is important to know but the only complete martial art is sambo. The rest of the martial arts are memes you need to combine. I am a boxer and thai boxer and I was as out of my depth going into grappling as a grappler is when untrained at striking. You have to know both striking and grappling or you're doomed to get stomped by those who do.
suck my balls
>grab leg that's kicking you
>swing your guard the opposite way
>dude is now on the ground
it's that easy
Practically speaking? It depends.
Most people don't know how to fight. So taking someone down and submitting them or breaking their face with hammer fists will do the trick in most situations. However, there is also concrete and asphalt to take into consideration!
But also, most people never get into a street fight, including BJJ practitioners (who also don't practice takedowns as much as they should).
If you want to learn to fight, you should take some classes at an MMA gym. You'll learn enough BJJ to be dangerous in a fight with your average person, and even a pretty advanced BJJ person in a real fight.
I think a lot of BJJ practitioners want to feel like they're able to defend themselved without ever having to. So they dont know they probably cant.
My friend invited me to bjj and first thing was no takedowns and i cant slam him, maybe odnt do neck cranks either.
Whats the fkn point theres already no striking and its on a padded mat.
>WTF bro, these sissies don’t even wanna cripple themselves for live during training, bjj is bullshit
Also, he probably took you to a beginner class where they don’t do takedowns since most white belts are retarded enough to brake an arm or something while falling. My gym always starts standing unless we’re training concrete positions
Breakfalls don't take very long to learn and was one of the first things I ever learned in a BJJ class back in the day. Sorely missing from most modern BJJ schools.
Yeah. As a grappling base. BJJ and wrestling are my grappling bases and kickboxing is my striking base. It’s been working pretty well for me.
Just go and try for yourself, you even could get a free class, there's no point in asking this here.
>the boxer will say boxing is better
>the muaythai fag will say muaythai is better
>kravmagarden gnome will say kravmagool is better
There's no point, I'm from Brazil, I will say Jiu Jitsu is better.
Just have a class of each martial art and see what "clicks" with you.
>"yeah I do BJJ I can take on anyone-"
*punched in the kisser*
>"Bb-ut puching is against the rules!"
anyone ever have problems with disease at a mma gym?
One guy came in to the gym with full blown herpes once. I've been paranoid about catching shit like monkypox ever since.
Learn a real martial art.
>is it fun
Yes BJJ is very fun.
>will i learn a lot
Yes you will learn a lot about grappling and mobility.
>gains?
You will develop a lot of core, shoulder, neck, and forearm strength (and size) that lifting will never give you.
>self-defense
If you want to learn self-defense you should practice all sorts of martial arts and also buy and learn to use a gun and also get tactical/awareness training.
Did you have any specific questions about it? Most gyms have a free trial period or it costs like $10 or something. So you have pretty much nothing to lose by trying it yourself. Anyone who says "BJJ doesn't work" or whatever retarded meaningless blanket statement 100% has never done BJJ. And there is no point in garnering someone's opinion on something they have no knowledge about.
Sambo > jj
lol unless you live in NYC or california there is a 99% chance that you have between 0 and 1 sambo instructors near you. and that 1 that you may have may or may not be legit. not to mention it's a completely different martial art from BJJ anyway. what a dumb post.
>OMG YOU GUYS. SAMBO IS A US SPORT
>IT IS ONLY TAUGHT IN THE US
>post about if OP should do jiu-jitsu (he's speaking in English and didn't specify his country of origin so he's 100% from the USA)
>random post about sambo
>i point out no one can train sambo in the US because it's not available, so your post is retarded
>you get assmad
Are you implying OP should move countries or what? lol your comprehension of English and your common sense are both so bad.
>OP writes English so probably from England
>asks about BJJ so could be Brazilian.
>mention Sambo as Sambo fighters do good in mma
>starts rambling about muh new york muh california out of nowhere.
just go kys
You write like an actual schizophrenic. Do you have CTE from Sambo or something?
you are a retard. English is a language with it roots in England. Jiu-jitsu is a sport with it roots in Japan. Brazilian Jiu-jitsu is a sport with its roots in Brazil. Sambo is a sport with it roots in Russia. it really blows my mind how a retard like you makes a connection with new york and california.
>it really blows my mind how a retard like you makes a connection with new york and california.
If you can't figure out how I know niche gyms are only present in the most highly-populated areas of a country, only God can help you.
>english comes from england, therefore an english speaker is probably english
This is something a 5 year old who can't define "population" would say.
I've never seen a person with such a lack of common sense before. I unironically hope you are schizophrenic rather than this severely retarded.
no one asked about you or your country. Go bother someone else about where you come from. In England they speak English, in Spain they speak Spanish, in Germany they speak German etc etc. Stop claiming a language that is not yours. You don't have an own language period.
>no one in america speaks english
My amazement with what you come up parallels my concern for your physical and mental health.
autism
>sambo
>NYC or California
>Doesn't know which based state contains the capital of South America
>or the one where all the illegals cross into
The absolute state of (You).
Have fun with my governor's gifts
Depends on the people in your gym, but yes.
Nogi is based, gi is gay and lame.
This poster weighs 150 pounds.
This poster things stalling and gripping for 5 minutes is a "chess game"
No I don't think that. I think stalling is annoying. But that's funny I was right about you being 150 pounds hehe.
I'm 170 bud. I bet you play closed guard
I'm 190 and you are right—I do play closed guard and I do pressure pass... but I'm trying to learn better stand-up, so I'm learning judo right now.
>Guy at the bar is giving me shit
>Oi right m8 Imma fuck your shit up
>Grab his hand and lay on the ground on my back
>He doesn't get on top of me
>Uh oh
>He kicks me in the head instead
>Wake up half an hour later missing teeth and with a broken nose
BJJ never again
Any kind of on the ground shit is useless. You wont be fighting one guy in a street fight. There will be other shitheads ready to stab you in the back
>the only reason to learn martial arts is to fight multiple attackers on the street (while unarmed)
Where do you people come from?
>getting into a fight with multiple people with knives
Boxingcels are retarded. If that shit happens you run. If it's a 1v1 you can handle, you still run. If someone grabs you, now with bjj/wrestling/judo in your pocket, you have a weapon to use.
Looks gay and feels weird doing it myself. What a goofy ahh martial art.
>is it worth learning BJJ?
For:
Fun (cerebral)
Healthy (physical activity)
Escaping (getting out of grabs/groundfighting)
Restraining (Locking people without hurting them)
Competition (MMA / BJJ tournaments)
Con:
Self-defense (Mostly useless, they can come in groups and if anyone has a knife you're done on the ground)
Takedowns (BJJ has little to no focus on takedowns. You need some judo or wrestling for that)
People (Most practitioners are mystery meat)
Peace (unlike japanese styles, the spiritual/mindfulness aspect is completely absent)
>Self-defense
In that case there's no possible way to ever defend yourself no matter what because someone could just show up with an assault rifle and magdump you.
99.999% of self defense is some bum sucker punching you or tackling you before you can react.
Noooo u can't just stomp my head in or elbow drop me when I pull guard
You need bjj if you want to do mma. If you don't know how to defend submissions you're going to get fucked.
If you're talking about street fighting, no you don't need bjj. Bjj gives some bad habits like making you think you're good if your back is on the ground. Even if intellectually you know that's a bad place to be, you'll fall back on your training.
For self defence porpuses the only reason to learn bjj is to be able to get someone off you and get up as soon as possible.
Otherwise is ok to know submissions but is more important to be able to hit hard and fast to finish fights in one punch and to have good takedown defence to avoid the ground as much as possible.
Do mma, you will learn everything worth learning of bjj without the parts that are a waste of time + tdd + striking.
If you must, try bjj for a few months but really isn't that worth it unless you are really into it.
And even then you should still cross train to cover the deficiencies of your style, whatever it might be.
Just know that in self defense implying both of you are unarmed the ground is the worst place to be even if you know bjj.
>just do MMA with no background in martial arts
What a horrible post.
Nice sharp shooter fallacy.
wtf are you talking about fallacies for? This isn't a debate, Ben Shapiro. You gave horrible advice that a bunch of retards give which was "Just do MMA" and that's what I'm pointing out.
>This isn't a debate
the appeal to "we're not having a debate" fallacy I see. predictable.
I would point out the fallacy fallacy but then I would be committing it. I feel as though I am losing here.
Trying to pull the old appeal to emotions of losing eh? another predictable fallacy. next you will say I committed the predicting what the opponent will say fallacy other wise known as putting words in the opponents mouth. Point out that fallacy is in itself and appeal to one-up-manship which is not a fallacy but is bad sportsmanship.
The old 'my mum has a dumptruck ass that gets ploughed by any dude with a spare 50' fallacy. Predictable.
Not as predictable as the fallacy your mom made last night!
My joke was funnier
>I committed the predicting what the opponent will say fallacy
The ole' Joseph Joestar fallacy, a classic
Not even the point of my post you dumbass bro, pretending to say I am wrong when you are not even addressing the point of my post is retarded.
I do bjj cause I got a retinal tear doing boxing
Idk if it's legit or not but I'm fucking scared as shit of going blind, so no more getting punched for me
I nearly snapped my neck in BJJ. Every real martial art has risk of serious injury. I wish gyms took safety training more seriously.
Did that happen because you just got punched in the face hard or what?
Yeah
Wasn't even super hard, I just got rocked, then the next morning I noticed this floater in the corner of my vision wouldn't go away
After a couple days of it not going away I went to a doctor and had to get laser surgery
Kinda just put me off boxing, didn't think I was ever going to be a pro so just didn't feel like it was worth it to keep going
That's crazy man, were you wearing headgear and using 16 oz gloves? Sounds super unfortunate.
Headgear and 14oz, I took a good hit but it wasn't a KO, had a small black eye but nothing awful
a lot of boxers get tears without even any vision issues, they're pretty common
>dumbass morons being morons
I only go so I can grope titties
just in case nobody answered you OP, jiu jitsu is pretty effective and legit. especially if you go to a decent competitive gym or a sport jiu jitsu school. it's pressure tested throughout the ages, of course you're not gonna be doing lapel guard shit on the street or going from deep half waiter sweep to a backtake but if you train hard you will be fine in a "real life" scenario. i'd bet money on any podium blue belt from a medium sized IBJJF bracket being able to handle himself in 95% of 1 on 1 scenarios
You cant learn mma without learning bjj. Just go to mma classes and learn some grappling. You'll lose most fights if u fight in mma and dont know bjj. And only do no gi bjj if youre in mma.
All of these Martial arts questions have been solved 10years ago
The best is to be decent at everything.
So wrestling+jjb+muay thai>all
Just find a mma gym in the west or a sambo gym in the east and just train
Sorry I don't want to make a new thread for this, but what are the best combat sports for a female who wants to have a more fun way to exercise? I don't expect to be able to take down the average guy, but I want to use my gym gains to do something. Judo?
Boxing/muay thai, judo/bjj/wrestling
I mentioned judo since it would probably have more women and not just guys, but those are all good options, thanks
BJJ is the best martial art for females who don't have training partners. Judo is really fun but gonna be harder to train if you can only partner up with heavier females or males. I would only recommend striking if you have a training partner. I would not recommend wrestling.
okay, thanks for the more in-depth reply, just what I was looking for!
just do wrestling or sambo bro, dont pay shit ton of money for a meme gym and meme belts they force you to buy
>meme belts they force you to buy
I have never encountered this in any BJJ gym. Why are you posting in a BJJ thread when you've never done BJJ? The worst type of person.
Yes but you have to punch your way into grappling in a real fight you will want to round it out somehow.
cardio would be a much better use of your time. most people can't run for shit and its always smarter to run from a fight
did kickboxing and kyokushin karate. I saw ufc a while back and decided i need to learn to fight om the ground. On my first judo/jujitsu class the sensei noticed i'm moving different from a noob and asked me after class to stay a bit longer. Asked him why i was here. Told him i'm here just to defend myself from grapplers as i'm confident i can fight most random guys. He put on his gloves, i put mine and we started sparring lightly. When we first got in a clinch he told me "you lost now". 1 second later he was choking me and i couldn't do anything else other than submit.
Yeah, if you wanna simulate a real life and death situation where you can't go for the balls, judo/jujitsu is for you, it teaches to kill. Like 80% of takedowns imply you fall full weight on your oponents thorax. It's not even your weight that does tha damage, but the chaos where you are in control and he has no idea which bodypart will hit concrete.
Also, grappling without striking is useless too, i front kicked the solar plexus of one of his better students and he vomited. He only lightly sparred and never had real conditioning. He probably can kill me with judo/jujitsu only rules.
tl;dr judo/jujitsu is a good martial art, but you need to know how to defend from other type of attacks too.
Based post. It's refreshing to see someone with actual experience describe it in these sorts of threads.
>When we first got in a clinch
that was the moment I knew you were a butthurt graplingfag. Tell me me more stories that never happened.
Judo and Jiu-jitsu fighters tend to lean forward and put all their weight on their front leg. Someone who train's kickboxing and kyokushin would hit that leg with low kicks like a kid in a candy store and keep distance. Thats when I knew you never watch other martial arts and never even saw a gym from the inside. You are that typical fat guy that watches ppv mma and thinks he's a master in martial arts.
But please, keep going with your mma fan faction. You have talent.
Not him, but I can't believe you typed this entire post in such anger because you couldn't imagine a clinch -> guillotine situation or a clinch -> back take -> standing RNC situation. Your writing skills are definitely better than your critical thinking skills lol.
kodokan judo is the fit man's martial art. BJJ is for copelet dyels
I’m a blue belt In bjj and the one street fight I got in we were both drunk, I took him down, I passed to mount instantly, and I rape choked/punched him in the face. It was over within 30 seconds and was pure muscle memory.
The only thing I remember being weird is I had to actually think about punching him because I never done that in class.