Why are carbs considered bad for fat loss? I thought it was as simple as having a caloric deficit
Have I been memed by CICO shills?
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Why are carbs considered bad for fat loss? I thought it was as simple as having a caloric deficit
Have I been memed by CICO shills?
They are "bad" because carbs make you hold water and by eating carbs you will make your weight fluctuate a lot and you won't see progress in the mirror or on the scale so in general you won't have any idea if your cut is actually working.
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Eating normally like humans are supposed to:
>Pros: gives you the energy you need to get your 20 working sets per muscle group per week
>Cons: you need to wait longer to be sure if you're actually losing fat
Keto:
>Pros: you look leaner because you lost water weight
>Cons: you have absolute zero energy to do proper working sets after half of workout
Gee, I sure do wonder which one I should pick...
Its not rocket science, human body is not magical cauldron that can create energy out of thin air.
If you have calorie deficit you WILL loose fat end of story. The only reason you don't is because you probably counting them wrong, or you counted your maintanence wrong.
fpbp
>I thought it was as simple as having a caloric deficit
It is but avoid eating junk food or anything with refined sugars. Don't listen to people touting fad diets like keto.
Carbs are great. Disregard fat shills.
Carbs are the number one food that raises your blood sugar levels which makes you feel hungry all the time.
They’re nothing but empty calories
>carbs make you feel hungry
No. I've been having stir fried vegetables and chicken with rice each day. One meal, less than a thousand calories each day for a week and I haven't felt hungry at all.
That’s fucking rice.
I’m talking about wheat and wheat products like bread, pasta and cake
but you said 'carbs'
What do you think rice and wheat both are you fucktard? Do you think your body discriminates grains? What a dumbass fuck post.
Yes, rice and potato are fine disregard wheat.
>doesn't know what the glycemic index is
Why do you think asians are so skinny despite eating so much rice?
The abolute states of ketotards
Insulin also tells your body to store excess energy as fat. So higher Insulin levels will make you gain fat faster.
Fake and gay disinformation. Insulin doesn't tell body to make or store fat, it stores fat without hormonal input via passive cell wall absorption as cell walls are made of fat it slips right through. Notably you can see that in excess fat consumption when insulin resistance happens it is because of fat in cells where it doesn't belong.
imagine believing this and not having oats for breakfast.
CICO has been debunked years ago.
I personally did the testing myself.
>high carb sugar addict
-morbidly obese my whole life
>keto with the same amount of calories as before, sometimes even quite a bit more
-lost 154 lbs over the course of 1.5 years
>back to sugar
>immediately get fat again
Post body
I can't really tell the difference between their bodies.
do you want me to believe cico doesn't work or that the kind of retard who is so fat and stupid he can lose 150lbs in 18 months can't properly count his calories
>never learned proper self control
>slackened his grip even once
>all weight loss is reversed due to sugar craze
Is this the power of keto diets???
Deal with it, cico is a meme.
it doesn’t matter if I eat 1000, 2000 or 3000 kcal. as soon as it’s high in carbs, I gain weight.
t. 6‘8“ that eats like a little girl
Absolutely delusional
>Eats like a morbidly obese on keto
>Reintroduces sugar into the same diet
That's not CICO, you fucking retard
>keto with the same amount of calories as before
You suck at counting calories
simple as
>let’s assume things because I don’t like what I’m reading
many such cases
Well I lost 43kg on a 65% carb diet and I felt great
Keep chugging them fats tho, surely everyone here is lying
And I have never done keto or other fad diets, always followed cico (even when eating the occasional junk food) and (unlike you) I have never been fat and I never had any trouble getting my weight to where I want it.
congrats on your genetics. my sister is the same. we essentially had the exact same diet consisting of 3 normal sized carb heavy meals a day.
Actually, she was carrying a bag of chips in her backpack at all times because she used to be addicted to them. I didn’t care about snacks.
she’s tiny, skinny and lazy; I was tall, fat and physically active.
> we essentially had the exact same diet consisting of 3 normal sized carb heavy meals a day
If you got fatter than her, you ate more than her, period
So much cope, so many excuses. How about you actually track how many calories you eat? It might reveal a thing or two about your eating habits
Depends on the type of carb. it has to to with isolin production and its effect on lipolysis. the breakdown of fat
8 minutes of my life wasted
Your questions are irritating and stupid.
But yes CICO doesn't work for many.
Hormones are the reason.
Fat people have hormone problems that require drastic diet correction rather than simple calorie rebalance.
>CICO doesn't work for many.
>Hormones are the reason.
Fatty cope, Lmfao
It's past your bed time.
wat
>Not with that attitude.
>image
Jesus christ that's horrifying.
thats how they make foie gras by overfeeding ducks until their livers are fat
In german it's called "Stopfleber" or"Stopfgans" which translates to "stuffed liver" or "stuffed goose".
Splendid. Adding that to my list of foods to never eat. I fucking hate the French. Even more than Americans.
It's delicious. Don't knock it until you try it, poorfag
The fact that >people fail to manage the CI part of CICO doesn't mean that CICO doesn't work you fucking ESL. The fact that people grow fat from having a higher CI than CO is just further proof that CISO is true.
>CISO
Coolness In Suffering Out
Thats half true. Fatties actually have some hormone problems that makes cico less effective.
But there is a major misunderstanding about this.
This does not mean these people became fat because of their hormone problems, but it's the opposite. Their active efforts to disrupt their bodies by retarded amounts of fast food fucked up their hormone levels. Its not that CICO doesnt work for them, it's just that they disrupted their bodies to a part where CICO doesn't work the same way as with actual people.
If they eat less, they still lose weight.
In general, the best diets for weight loss are the ones that rely heavily on one source of calories. That's why you have people losing weight on diets relying on mostly fat or mostly carbs. Personally I prefer carbs because I function better on them and because ketosis is a fasted state that will increase your stress immensely.
>the best diets for weight loss are the ones that rely heavily on one source of calories.
Source - my ass
It's just someone who's read a little on this topic would know, anon. If you did did read into this topic a little, you would know about the different diets on totally different spectrums of online dietary autism, all with great results.
the basic function of insulin is the inhibition of lipolysis, it does this long before it translocates GLUT4s
you can't burn calories you don't have access to
beta oxidation is supply driven
lipolysis is weightloss
if you want to eat carbs just do OMAD or intermittent fasting or something
If someone replies to me with dubs, i post it
Post what?
>check em
coinslot?
You can't be memed by simple physics.
If you spend more energy than what you take in, your body will use your stored sources of energy instead.
It really is that simple.
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Carb chads are for active people that do sports and workout so they use the carbs as energy. Keto is for fat fucks who do nothing but sit on their ass all day and diet. I box 4x a week, and go to the gym twice a week and I eat carbs every single day. My body% is 15 without dieting.
Main fuel for every cell is glucose, for brains so much so it will rather break down heart for glucose than use ketones (main reason for starvation deaths is heart failure despite remaining fat store). It's impossible to do any work requiring brains without carbs. It's also impossible to workout without carbs, it has been proven time and again that when you do heavy exercise lacking carbs, your muscle mass decreases since your body catabolizes muscles for glucose to fuel what remains.
Pure disinfo, post some sources.
Everyone can look those things up themselves except you because you're a mentally ill retard
>The brain's utilization of ketones seems to depend mainly on the concentration in the blood, thus many dietary approaches such as ketogenic diets, ingestion of ketogenic medium-chain fatty acids or exogenous ketones, facilitate significant changes in the brain's metabolism.
>Most clinical studies examining the neuroprotective role of ketone bodies have been conducted in patients with Alzheimer's disease, where brain imaging studies support the notion of enhancing brain energy metabolism with ketones. Likewise, a few studies show modest functional improvements in patients with Parkinson's disease and cognitive benefits in patients with-or at risk of-Alzheimer's disease after ketogenic interventions.
>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33233502/
Fuck off retard
Brains never run purely on ketones. It also stops retards from biting their tongues by literally slowing down the brain, which is also why ketolards are uniquely stupid among human populations.
Carbs raise insulin which prevents you from using your stored fat.
>go to gym
>take insulin shot
>become human perpetuum mobile as the insulin prevents me from using stored energy
Problem?
That's not true. Yes I know the keto / Jason Fung lies regarding that very well, and you should email all of them and ask at which point lipolysis inhibition of insulin becomes so strong it prevents access to stored fat completely. You will not get a reply, I've actually emailed Fung multiple times about that.
>I emailed Fung multiple times
So you mean you harassed him like a autistic schizo?
I wonder why you got filtered. Also his practice is there to onboard people into his program, not for him to answer your retarded deboonking.
Pure disinformation, no sources, just trust me bro science. I’ll admit you sound very confident. Imagine believing your body is so stupid it’s gonna start eating your heart for energy. You can’t make this shit up hahahaha
Jason Fung doesn't answer because he has no answer. If he replies anything he looks really bad and can be sued for lying about body having no access to stored fat as long as you eat carbohydrates. I looked into the science and there is no point at insulin concentration in blood at which what he says is true. His "fridge/freezer two-compartment energy model" is a total lie. It is.
And what I wrote about body cannibalizing itself for glucose is absolutely true. There is no pathway in digestive path to readily extract glucose from consumed protein and fat. It's completely catabolic and comes from existing soft tissue by breaking down muscles and organs.
>Eat carbs
>Count calories
>Work out
>Lose weight
Ketobros, what does this mean?
Carbs are the naggers of the nutrient world. Totally useless and worthless. You are addicted to carbs the same way you are addicted to cuck nagger porn. Its also literal slave tier macro food made for the serfs of society.
5/60/35 is the way of the true Gigachad
Post body, lets see what a true gigachad looks like.
>Totally useless and worthless.
Maybe refined carbs like white sugar. Have some whole grains and chill out.
as someone who lost 70 kg getting rid of most carbs(I ate max 70g carbs daily) completely killed my hunger, I literally didn't feel it anymore. Th hunger was so utterly killed that I never went to the fridge when coming home shitfaced which was something I thought was impossible. Makes losing weight incredibly easy because you don't feel like an addict and sticking to CICO is even easier because you can eat a small meal and not feel hungry no matter how small the meal is
>Makes losing weight incredibly easy
Weak
>weak
>no discipline
kek no fucking shit, why do you think I was morbidly obese since childhood? Keto is shit, it focuses too much on fat, just lower the carbs until you hit a point where you stop feeling hungry. I accidentally figured out that carbs made me hungry then read a little bit about it and put the limit to around 70g a day, after making it 2 years ago I started eating more carbs again but the addiction was gone so it's easy maintaining it. Imagine not using every tool at your disposal to lessen your suffering while losing weight without any health repercussions
>I don't have the discipline to eat carbs responsibly so i must keto
CICO works in theory, but in practice it is too complicated. We don't just have a simple stable TDEE number to use as the CO part. There are so many variables like sleep, stress, hormones, activity, the frequency of your meals, the quality of your meals. Especially how much your CI affects your CO makes it just completely pointless to try and estimate so why go through all this trouble? Eat a diet of real food that is satiating. It is very hard to overeat eggs for example but I dare you to try it.
It’s all mental. Avoiding or limiting carbs is often the easiest way to avoid empty and binge calories. Like grabbing a plate of chips or whatever bullshit people do when they’re hungry. Sure there’s also the water weight stuff but more than anything it’s just a good way to avoid things that would normally ruin people’s daily calories
Chips are mostly fat, it's like 70% of their calorie content comes from fat. People are so brainwashed by keto shills they associate fattening fatty foods as "carbs". Like you. You, a fucking gullible stupid retard.
Because most carbs, due to the amount of sugar they are releasing in the blood, triggers insulin and insulin is a fat storage hormone, preventing weight loss. It doesn’t matter CICO or not, if you have a significant insulin release you will not lose fat.
Have you guys ever noticed how the keto/fasting schizos always talk about how they are/were morbidly obese and never post body?
Carbohydrates are a vital macronutrient for building/maintaining muscle mass
Nobody said you can’t eat carbohydrates in reasonable quantities when you want to build muscle. We’re talking about people at +20%bf here, they should cut the carbohydrates.
We’re not talking about people with mental illness here thinking being sub 12%bf is still fat and they should use the same protocol as gravity-bending fatties. If you’re in that category, congratulations those posts are not for you.
I don’t understand why it is so hard for people to stop being so fucking binary. One protocol for some people is not the end all be all, the holy answer to everything. If you want to achieve X then protocol A might be optimal. Why are retards trying to transpose protocol A to do Y? Or Z? And then complain it’s not optimal? No shit sherlock, it was never meant to be.
The way your talking about keto is at least reasonable, but a good amount of the other fuckers selling that shit probably advocate for keto no matter the circumstance. These guys are saying that CICO doesn't work, what kind of brainwashed fatty cope is that shit?
The bad thing about carbs is that they make you hungry and make you retain water. That's it. That's the whole story with carbs.
post it
carbs just make you hungrier, if you can't run on carbs switch to eating more protein. I've been eating carbs my entire cut and I've lost alot of weight in the last 3 months, jeans I couldn't fit into are now loose, my family comments saying I look like I lost a lot of weight, I cut on carbs and so has so many others. cico, and cut out carbs if you over eat.