what am i in for?
supposedly hydrolyzed ones are proven to work in clinical studies or some shit when taken over 90 days
hydrolyzed collagen
what am i in for?
supposedly hydrolyzed ones are proven to work in clinical studies or some shit when taken over 90 days
>supposedly
this means it does nothing. you started the thread and you don't even know what it's supposed to do.
it's good to combine it with 200mg of hyaluronic acid and at least 100mg of vit C
it improves the skin and joints. not supposedly, it's well studied.
10g (even 5g in some studies) is shown to work and it's really cheap in the powder form.
>it improves the skin and joints. not supposedly, it's well studied.
so it's bullshit
>it's well studied, so it's bullshit
I fail to see the logic here. do you trust only in novel experimental treatments that didn't even pass animal studies, like the mRNA "vaccine"? e.g.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32436266/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36516059/
not every, collagen is abundant with the aminoacids used to build skin and joint tissue, that aren't present in significant amounts in dietary protein sources, other than something like sinew or cartilage
>it improves the skin and joints
yeah like every protein.
Need to find one that uses multiple sources to get all of the aminos collagen offers.
Folks can say placebo all they want but, I feel less pain and aches taking it.
I'm currently in a position where I can't eat a shit ton of protein so this has been helpful to supplement my food and promote healing.
>I could be retarded though
you need at least 15g for this to do anything
it's generally overpriced snake oil sold to women
What does it do?
Supposed to be good for joints
It’s only good for strengthening ligaments and cartilage in your joints. For that reason alone, you should take it. 15g if you are 200lb and 6’0 to be exact
Collagen is not even absorbed by your gut, idiot.
Just eat real food for once ffs
It's sold to women, it does nothing, collagen is made by the body from protein, you can take it all you want, it's going to be broken down and then made into protein. Women will believe anything
>collagen is made by the body from protein, you can take it all you want, it's going to be broken down and then made into protein
congratulations, you just came up with the reason why collagen suplementation is very beneficial, as you're supplying the amino acid profile needed to produce collagen, that would otherwise be partially deficient with a regular high-protein diet
>would otherwise be partially deficient with a regular high-protein diet
it depends. skinless chicken breast is like 1% collagen. bone-in chicken thighs with skin in a stew is way, way more.
the first case would benefit from supplementation while the second case probably wouldn't.
NTA
>supplying the amino acid profile needed to produce collagen, that would otherwise be partially deficient with a regular high-protein diet
Based retard
Collagen contains three amino acids and none is essential (meaning your body can make them)
If you took a complete protein like whey, not only could your body make collagen, it could also make any other protein it needs (non-protein requirements notwithstanding). You gain nothing by consuming the three AAs in collagen.
>You gain nothing by consuming the three AAs in collagen.
the problem is people don't have infinite conversion and it gets worse with age as collagen content in the body declines. it's smart to purposely support the process
>Collagen contains three amino acids and none is essential (meaning your body can make them)
so you're claiming that the body producing a non-essential protein is more effective than just supplying the optimal amount of said protein, especially considering that they take part in various methabolic pathways, which are prioritized over optimal skin and joint regeneration? you are braindead
>You gain nothing by consuming the three AAs in collagen.
that's why basically every single study shows direct benefits of supplementation? why do 55IQ retards always feel the need of spewing their moronic takes everywhere they go?
>so you're claiming that the body producing a non-essential protein is more effective than just supplying the optimal amount of said protein
1. you don't know what the optimal amount is
2. you don't absorb whole proteins, they are broken down before they reach circulation
>prioritized over optimal skin and joint regeneration
If some other protein needs to be built more than collagen and you don't have the required amino acids (non-essential ones) your body will just convert the ones you do have, so the AAs you had earmarked for collagen will be used anyway. You are in a much better position if you consume a range of complete proteins as then your body can make everything it needs.
>that's why basically every single study shows direct benefits of supplementation?
Post the studies. I bet they are all low N pieces of shit.
>why do 55IQ retards always feel the need of spewing their moronic takes everywhere they go?
I can't answer that for you
>people don't have infinite conversion
What does that mean? Like you think there's a limit and when you've converted N amino acids you stop for the day?
>you think there's a limit and when you've converted N amino acids you stop for the day?
there is a continuous limit based on available inputs into the relevant pathways. rate limiting is a basic concept in all of biology.
>1. you don't know what the optimal amount is
if only there was something like studies that literally observe the effects of supplementation at various doses. oh wait
>2. you don't absorb whole proteins, they are broken down before they reach circulation
no shit
>If some other protein needs to be built more than collagen and you don't have the required amino acids (non-essential ones) your body will just convert the ones you do have, so the AAs you had earmarked for collagen will be used anyway. You are in a much better position if you consume a range of complete proteins as then your body can make everything it needs.
you are retarded
>Post the studies. I bet they are all low N pieces of shit.
if only you posesed enough intelligence to just read the fucking thread before asking the same fucking question that'd already been answered
lol how big are those tablets? my collagen supp comes in vials
>supposedly
Says some fuck on Youtube. It does literally, unironically nothing.
Won't make you bulletproof but anecdotally I've seen good results supplementing 7g a day. Tiny pulls and tweaks seem both less frequent and more quickly recovered from. Even if the benefits are relatively small (I think I recall a study with athletes reporting 7% fewer injuries) I think it's worth the relatively small price for less downtime and increased longevity. Haven't noticed much of any change regarding hair/skin though if that matter to you.
WTF this stuff is made out of skin, hair, and fingernails?
there are many collagen products which one should I choose?
any recommendations?
what other supplements to take it with?
my skin is getting pretty bad lately. gonna start using collagen, more strict skincare routine and redlight mask.