>this board would agree that CICO works
it already does save for select few ketoschizos
[...]
yes, it is what keto people say, because it's true
if you eat carbs you will crave more carbs and you will eat more calories. fat and vegetables are far more filling - it's pretty much impossible to be morbidly obese and eat nothing but meat and vegetables all day.
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>if you eat carbs you will crave more carbs
source: your ass. just because you repeat it 100 times, it won't become true. while vegetables and protein are generally more satiating, carbs aren't inherently addictive and they are still a better fuel for your body than any macro.
none of what you say dispels CICO, you just repeat the same "but these calories satiate more than others!!!!". yes, we get it, satiety exists. that's why bulking and cutting diets are different. but you still repeat: >i ate high satiety foods >so i ate less calories >CICO doesn't work!!!!
i don't know how many times i've read exact same conversation, you homosexuals are completely retarded and proof that keto is for low IQ brainlets who don't have willpower to eat less.
>calories in/calories out works for stars but the human body is too complex for physics to apply >a calorie is a MADE UP unit of energy! Someone just decided that one day based off some random calculations! Just like time or length! >gender is a social construct, once you choose to live as a woman you can't lose weight anymore >just stuff your face whenever bro, it's called intuitive eating and is actually healthy >no, food companies don't put sugar in processed foods to trick the body into eating more, that's a lie spread by the diet industry >people always were 600lbs bro, white men just buried all evidence
Listened to the calorie episode and actually wanted to root for them and wait for an actual valid point but all they did is try to disprove what can be proven with basic math and child-level observation. >You don't eat, you lose weight, you starve, you die. >You eat too much you get fat
Tell me it isn't obvious that there is a QUANTIFIABLE amount within those two bounds that a person should aim for
in/calories out doesn't work, the human body is too complex for physics to apply >>a calorie is a MADE UP unit of energy >>just stuff your face whenever bro
literally all what keto people say
They ignore biology because they're part of a non-spiritual cult of obsession over Keto the same way the fatties are about nutrition. They're precisely the same.
Insulin is required for fat storage. This is the biology that gets ignored. Maybe too much insulin, from refined carbs and sugar, cause excess fat storage. Its that simple and doesn't contradict thermodynamics
here we go again. "if we remove insulin, you literally stop getting fat". yeah right except
1) why not try CICO first, something that is actually proven to work?
2) are you actually sure that you lower your insulin that much that it will make a bigger difference, than, you know, just eating less? you do realize that even protein raises insulin, right? it literally drops the most on fasting, so if you want weight loss so much, why not just fast?
3) most healthy diets already recommend against eating sugar
4) Japanese males eat around 270g of carbs daily on average, why aren't they fat?
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>Japanese males eat around 270g of carbs daily on average, why aren't they fat?
They supplement it with organic human protein
yes, it is what keto people say, because it's true
if you eat carbs you will crave more carbs and you will eat more calories. fat and vegetables are far more filling - it's pretty much impossible to be morbidly obese and eat nothing but meat and vegetables all day.
>calories in/calories out doesn't work,
Yes >the human body is too complex for physics to apply
No >a calorie is a MADE UP unit of energy
Literally any unit is made up, so is math and language; so? >just stuff your face whenever bro
God no.
inb4 muh CICO results
It doesn't work as a system for two reasons:
1) proteins are very seldom used as an energy source, yet all of its calories are counted.
2) your metabolic rates depends on your energy intake: eat more it increases, eat less it decreases
Which is why you need to be at a 800~1000Kcal deficit for it to "work". So no, CICO doesn't work as advertised because of this threshold. But not only that, fasting is just better to shed fat. >hurrr fasting is cico
No you dumb fuck, caloric restriction and fasting are completely different metabolically.
Kek. This shit is almost verbatim what tweets from fph threads say.
Fats are like cancer. And not just in the 'uncontrolled growth' kind of way. They are a burden on all the healthy people around them. They put a heavy (pun intended) toll on the system as a whole. And in a best case scenario, they would be cut out, and incinerated before they het any worse.
>food companies don't put sugar in processed foods to trick the body into eating more
They don't, though. They put it in because people will buy it period. For obvious shit like cookies, its a 1:1 understanding of "sugar makes sweet, cookies should be sweet". But for other processed foods like microwave dinners or whatever, the sugar is to make the shit ingredients palatable. Nobody likes overcooked, soggy noodles and veg, but you put a sweetened sauce on it, well you've got a meal you actually want to eat.
Doesn't excuse the fact that people should make more shit at home and eat better that way, but its not like there's some deeper conspiracy to slowly pump more and more HFCS into cola or something.
Why did you waste your time typing this? Obviously it makes food taste better but its not to mask shit food. In America theres added sugar in fucking everything from bagels to meatballs. Theyre 100% aware adding sugar makes food more addictive and less satiating.
>le hard science behind a meme diet >"""youtube based educator""" with patreon and other shilling >recommends that athletes dont consume carbs
as expected, another meme guru, nothing new here
Hahaha not a single point against him. It's funny when Bart gets mentioned no one can muster up anything to debunk what he says. Stay blown the fuck out you discord tranny vegan shill. Go make your 9th anti keto thread for the day already.
Every single reason why calories in calories out is not a proper measurement when discussing human nutrition. If you watch it you'll learn something instead of reading 19 year olds opinions on diet on this shit forum
because no one cares what he said anyway. he's trained no one, he has done nothing. his hot takes go against everything that wins medals for athletes and has been for years. all he does is "private consultation sessions" with gullible fags. hardly anyone even knows who he is. his papers are barely even related to carnivore. McDougall is a fag and he also has papers online. and? >you are le shill
says the keto shill. i am omnivore and always will be, i have brains to figure out that we need both plant and animal foods. go shill your meme diet somewhere else, you're not welcome and never will be.
Eat whatever the fuck you want to but until you can explain away the randle cycle don't come here and say keto/carnivore is bad. It's not the keto people making endless threads a day shitting up the board. Once again nothing has been said regarding the arguments put forth about CICO just ad homs as usual.
Yeah fat women love listening to a bunch of excuses. That's why they are fat: they create a house of mirrors so they never have to see their own nature.
There are no podcast awards but that is the first podcast any platform will show you in the Fitness/Diet/Food categories
>CICO doesn’t work and is based on bad science
And it's correct. Just because a fat retard said it doesn't make it wrong
The science may be bad but you can very easily see CICO in action. Even a kid can follow this. >You need food to function >If you don't eat you lose weight. Lose too much: die from starvation. >If you eat too much you gain weight. Gain too much, and your life expectancy halves.
You can cut out the second part and just talk about how eating/not eating affects weight. Regardless of the metric or magic thing you want to attain that to, you'd have to be delusional to say there isn't an [amount] between not enough and too much that ((YOU)) should stick to.
unless you have cancer, don't take supplements, have mercury and/or lead poisoning, took the covid vaccine or megadose soi and sneed oils, CICO applies to you
if you're dying from diseases then you have bigger things to worry about
I love listening to this podcast, I have found nothing that motivates me further to lose weight than an infinifat claiming that it’s literally impossible to lose weight.
Some hot takes from Aubrey Gordon include: >CICO doesn’t work and is based on bad science. >BMI is racist, classist, and ultimately a tool to medically discriminate against fat people. >Diets don’t work, and all attempts are dangerous and lead to weight gain eventually. >All disease correlations relating to obesity are due to weight stigma and not actual excess adipose tissue.
Most people fail to maintain any meaningful weight loss. BMI isn't that great better off looking at waist circumference. All cause mortality doesn't increase until morbid obesity and is lowest in "overweight" BMI.
literally who?
Maintenance phase, they talk about "fatphobia" and how thermodynamics don't apply to people
Ketardation is spreading.
>how thermodynamics don't apply to people
They don't or this board would agree that CICO works
>this board would agree that CICO works
it already does save for select few ketoschizos
>if you eat carbs you will crave more carbs
source: your ass. just because you repeat it 100 times, it won't become true. while vegetables and protein are generally more satiating, carbs aren't inherently addictive and they are still a better fuel for your body than any macro.
none of what you say dispels CICO, you just repeat the same "but these calories satiate more than others!!!!". yes, we get it, satiety exists. that's why bulking and cutting diets are different. but you still repeat:
>i ate high satiety foods
>so i ate less calories
>CICO doesn't work!!!!
i don't know how many times i've read exact same conversation, you homosexuals are completely retarded and proof that keto is for low IQ brainlets who don't have willpower to eat less.
It turns out that humans are retarded and deny reality often.
i have no idea who that is. the fact that you do must make you feel bad
yeah there are a lot of delusional fat women out there who eat this shit up
>calories in/calories out works for stars but the human body is too complex for physics to apply
>a calorie is a MADE UP unit of energy! Someone just decided that one day based off some random calculations! Just like time or length!
>gender is a social construct, once you choose to live as a woman you can't lose weight anymore
>just stuff your face whenever bro, it's called intuitive eating and is actually healthy
>no, food companies don't put sugar in processed foods to trick the body into eating more, that's a lie spread by the diet industry
>people always were 600lbs bro, white men just buried all evidence
Listened to the calorie episode and actually wanted to root for them and wait for an actual valid point but all they did is try to disprove what can be proven with basic math and child-level observation.
>You don't eat, you lose weight, you starve, you die.
>You eat too much you get fat
Tell me it isn't obvious that there is a QUANTIFIABLE amount within those two bounds that a person should aim for
Crazy how genetics determines your weight but not whether you are a man or a woman.
in/calories out doesn't work, the human body is too complex for physics to apply
>>a calorie is a MADE UP unit of energy
>>just stuff your face whenever bro
literally all what keto people say
Except its not though, is it.
>"CICO is thermodynamics! why don't you just drink gasoline??"
>muh unlimited calories
you see keto shills post this all the time
They ignore biology because they're part of a non-spiritual cult of obsession over Keto the same way the fatties are about nutrition. They're precisely the same.
Insulin is required for fat storage. This is the biology that gets ignored. Maybe too much insulin, from refined carbs and sugar, cause excess fat storage. Its that simple and doesn't contradict thermodynamics
Shhhh, stop being rational, just say "ketolard" like everybody else.
here we go again. "if we remove insulin, you literally stop getting fat". yeah right except
1) why not try CICO first, something that is actually proven to work?
2) are you actually sure that you lower your insulin that much that it will make a bigger difference, than, you know, just eating less? you do realize that even protein raises insulin, right? it literally drops the most on fasting, so if you want weight loss so much, why not just fast?
3) most healthy diets already recommend against eating sugar
4) Japanese males eat around 270g of carbs daily on average, why aren't they fat?
>Japanese males eat around 270g of carbs daily on average, why aren't they fat?
They supplement it with organic human protein
Insulin also slows the rate of muscle-protein degradation
if you need keto to lose weight you probably pay for sex too
yes, it is what keto people say, because it's true
if you eat carbs you will crave more carbs and you will eat more calories. fat and vegetables are far more filling - it's pretty much impossible to be morbidly obese and eat nothing but meat and vegetables all day.
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Vegetables are carbs bro
>calories in/calories out doesn't work,
Yes
>the human body is too complex for physics to apply
No
>a calorie is a MADE UP unit of energy
Literally any unit is made up, so is math and language; so?
>just stuff your face whenever bro
God no.
inb4 muh CICO results
It doesn't work as a system for two reasons:
1) proteins are very seldom used as an energy source, yet all of its calories are counted.
2) your metabolic rates depends on your energy intake: eat more it increases, eat less it decreases
Which is why you need to be at a 800~1000Kcal deficit for it to "work". So no, CICO doesn't work as advertised because of this threshold. But not only that, fasting is just better to shed fat.
>hurrr fasting is cico
No you dumb fuck, caloric restriction and fasting are completely different metabolically.
Kek. This shit is almost verbatim what tweets from fph threads say.
Fats are like cancer. And not just in the 'uncontrolled growth' kind of way. They are a burden on all the healthy people around them. They put a heavy (pun intended) toll on the system as a whole. And in a best case scenario, they would be cut out, and incinerated before they het any worse.
>gender is a social construct, once you choose to live as a woman you can't lose weight anymore
This one's made me laugh, it illustrates perfectly the batshit insanity these "people" believe in.
>food companies don't put sugar in processed foods to trick the body into eating more
They don't, though. They put it in because people will buy it period. For obvious shit like cookies, its a 1:1 understanding of "sugar makes sweet, cookies should be sweet". But for other processed foods like microwave dinners or whatever, the sugar is to make the shit ingredients palatable. Nobody likes overcooked, soggy noodles and veg, but you put a sweetened sauce on it, well you've got a meal you actually want to eat.
Doesn't excuse the fact that people should make more shit at home and eat better that way, but its not like there's some deeper conspiracy to slowly pump more and more HFCS into cola or something.
Why did you waste your time typing this? Obviously it makes food taste better but its not to mask shit food. In America theres added sugar in fucking everything from bagels to meatballs. Theyre 100% aware adding sugar makes food more addictive and less satiating.
LOVE FROM KAZAKHSTAN
Isn't she dead?
not yet, apparently
whats up with her nose? ive never seen one angled that way before
fat nowhere left to go so it went to its nose and its weighing it down
CICO fags absolutely destroyed go ahead and debunk
>le hard science behind a meme diet
>"""youtube based educator""" with patreon and other shilling
>recommends that athletes dont consume carbs
as expected, another meme guru, nothing new here
Hahaha not a single point against him. It's funny when Bart gets mentioned no one can muster up anything to debunk what he says. Stay blown the fuck out you discord tranny vegan shill. Go make your 9th anti keto thread for the day already.
Literally no idea who that is and no one is watching a 90 minute fitcel video
Every single reason why calories in calories out is not a proper measurement when discussing human nutrition. If you watch it you'll learn something instead of reading 19 year olds opinions on diet on this shit forum
Probably because calories out is more complicated than people think. Not really relevant to me because manipulating weight is ez
because no one cares what he said anyway. he's trained no one, he has done nothing. his hot takes go against everything that wins medals for athletes and has been for years. all he does is "private consultation sessions" with gullible fags. hardly anyone even knows who he is. his papers are barely even related to carnivore. McDougall is a fag and he also has papers online. and?
>you are le shill
says the keto shill. i am omnivore and always will be, i have brains to figure out that we need both plant and animal foods. go shill your meme diet somewhere else, you're not welcome and never will be.
Eat whatever the fuck you want to but until you can explain away the randle cycle don't come here and say keto/carnivore is bad. It's not the keto people making endless threads a day shitting up the board. Once again nothing has been said regarding the arguments put forth about CICO just ad homs as usual.
Every single fat person I run into thinks they're an expert on nutrition and even try to shut me up about it.
probably because nutrition and training strategies are boring as fuck to listen about once you've figured out what works for you
why anyone would listen to a long form podcast about the same topic over and over confuses my brain
>co-host the most renowned podcast on fine dining
Yeah fat women love listening to a bunch of excuses. That's why they are fat: they create a house of mirrors so they never have to see their own nature.
I hate fat "people" so much, they disgust me to my core. I want them all to drop dead.
>~~*recommended*~~
There's yer problem chuck
There are no podcast awards but that is the first podcast any platform will show you in the Fitness/Diet/Food categories
The science may be bad but you can very easily see CICO in action. Even a kid can follow this.
>You need food to function
>If you don't eat you lose weight. Lose too much: die from starvation.
>If you eat too much you gain weight. Gain too much, and your life expectancy halves.
You can cut out the second part and just talk about how eating/not eating affects weight. Regardless of the metric or magic thing you want to attain that to, you'd have to be delusional to say there isn't an [amount] between not enough and too much that ((YOU)) should stick to.
Which means it's what's most popular and listened to regardless of what ((YOU)) say goy
unless you have cancer, don't take supplements, have mercury and/or lead poisoning, took the covid vaccine or megadose soi and sneed oils, CICO applies to you
if you're dying from diseases then you have bigger things to worry about
I love listening to this podcast, I have found nothing that motivates me further to lose weight than an infinifat claiming that it’s literally impossible to lose weight.
Some hot takes from Aubrey Gordon include:
>CICO doesn’t work and is based on bad science.
>BMI is racist, classist, and ultimately a tool to medically discriminate against fat people.
>Diets don’t work, and all attempts are dangerous and lead to weight gain eventually.
>All disease correlations relating to obesity are due to weight stigma and not actual excess adipose tissue.
>CICO doesn’t work and is based on bad science
And it's correct. Just because a fat retard said it doesn't make it wrong
Most people fail to maintain any meaningful weight loss. BMI isn't that great better off looking at waist circumference. All cause mortality doesn't increase until morbid obesity and is lowest in "overweight" BMI.
>All cause mortality doesn't increase until morbid obesity
not true
>Then one day, for no reason at all, people voted Hitler in to power.
me on the back