I'm just gonna call it. The height obsession in this board is fucking gay and cringe.
If you are short stop obsessing about things you can't change, if you are THAT obsessed and autistic about it get shoe lifts, fix your posture and if you are like bellow 5'5 get surgery but stop being cringe and shut the fuck up with your whiny shit
And the tall guys, you didn't make it just by being tall if you barely even lift and are still an autistic retard, also stop projecting your homo closeted fantasies regarding manlets
Leave the house, touch grass, go talk to girls irl
t. manlet
t. 6'4" chad
I'm 6'4 but not a chad by any means. The face matters the most.
>face
How bad is it from a 1 to 10?
No offense I'm just curious
I'm only 6'1, you mogged me bros
Based. People who judge you based on genetically predisposed things aren't people you should give a shit about. I've met people who feel superior because they're taller, their dick is bigger, etc, but they didn't earn any of these things, it's just luck. They say nothing about who that person is or their value. It's the things you worked for that display your value, so forget about superficial bullshit that none of us had any control over and focus on achieving the shit you want and becoming better, I promise you'll attract far better people into your life that way and you'll feel better internally
Exactly the point, complaining or bragging about shit like dick size, height or even facial aesthetics is retarded because you cant change any of that shit.
We should be trying to uplift each other as men instead of bickering like women over genetic traits.
Yes you can- or could have during development.
again, its luck based because no kid knows anything about maximizing genetic potential. only your parents can know, and relying on your parents to have enough intelligence to take this into account relies on luck because most parents are fucking stupid and know nothing about this
Do the needful
If your parents are stupid then you are stupid. Many such cases.
Counterpoint: People (specifically women in this instance) should judge based on your genetic flaws and select against them accordingly. Anything else is dysgenic.
t. 5'9 manlet
Simp
Fuck no. Imagine putting pussy on a pedestal when you'll get nothing for it.
Its not as bad compared to low status for example, but physical attractiveness is mostly based on traits that indicate high physical capability, height and mass relative to how fat/thin you look is one of those indicators. Will a midget or a giant better protect you from aggressive outsiders? What if that midget is a king and that giant a dung collector? You get the gist.
I'm still not seeing how it's a genetic flaw. Armspan and shoulder width is what you need to fight and physically fighting is a small part of what men do in this world.
>Armspan
Associated with height, done.
>physically fighting is a small part of what men do in this world.
In the modern age. Technological and social advancements have vastly outpaced evolutionary processes, we're still cavemen in terms of what attracts mates.
That must be why Asian men always lose out, even with their own women.
Asians have extremely low sexual dimorphism.
The absolute rawest fighter is going to be the tallest. I'm not disputing that. You don't have to be him though. You just have to be worth something in a fight. There's men who are at under 5'6" because they still have big enough upper bodies and there's also men who are over 6'2" with short arms and frail bones.
>Armspan and shoulder width is what you need to fight and physically fighting is a small part of what men do in this world.
Doesn't matter, women associate height with power.
I don't give a fuck. That doesn't make it a genetic flaw.
Sure, but I don't see how being short is a genetic flaw.
No one on this board has any concept of reality, I'm 5'8 and had plenty of success with girls. You all make out like instagram thots are indicative of all women, sure a lot of tiktok and insta whores joke about guys who aren't 6 foot, news flash, these are a small group of women and not the kind of women you'd want to date and raise a family with. SwoleShack is obsessed with this idea of our natural instincts and evolutionary biases, but the truth is we are far more evolved than that and judge potential mates on so many more aspects than just 'he can protect me'. This isn't based on some bullshit basement theory either, the vast majority of guys I've known in recent memory had gfs, most of these guys weren't tall or particularly handsome, just average by all accounts, but clearly their personality was a good match with the girls they were with. Go outside once in a while
>the truth is we are far more evolved than that and judge potential mates on so many more aspects than just 'he can protect me'
Literally everything that is seen as attractive in men is an extension of this.
nah. people are animals. they don't act evolved at all, especially women. lol
same lol my friend who gets the most girls is literally the average male archetype. 5’9, goes to the gym but just to keep from getting fat, but really social. He would always tell my other mate that its just about being a social version of yourself and to stop trying so hard with all of the self improvement shit. Women can smell it miles away and it is kinda cringe when we were explaining it.
You can be a guy and this and that but if you have no friends or no social skills none of that matters in real life and you’ll be sitting on the internet like a loser
Literally how do you even make friends later in life (above 25)?
Find something you like doing and do that with a group of people and go to events. I'm sure there is some sort of skill you would like to learn just go to a class (cooking, music, etc).
Personally, I'm trying to sign up for a local Violin playing group that drinks in my area and there's a Rugby league in my area I want to try also.
>but if you have no friends or no social skills none of that matters
Painful how true this is and I am the example.
>if you have no friends or no social skills none of that matters
Sad but true (4 me).
Your friend is 5’9 so he’s not a manlet and is average height. As someone who is a manlet and around 5’4, being social and having social skills won’t solve the problem and it would only switch the focus to your physical traits. This is all from personal experience btw.
You need to be sufficient in both having social skills and having a decent physiology in order to fit in. Anyone that strays too far usually gets penalized in some way.
This is gonna sound very chud but every civilization worth a damn had the parents of the women choosing their partners and maybe it was for a reason. Or maybe not, maybe they were the beta uprising.
Eugenics is a bit flawed. I mean ok, lets just select the top5%, ffw a few years, lets select the top5% of the top5%, continue process for a couple centuries and whoops, the standards have become so high that natality is going the way of the dodo, ffw a century whoops you're extinct
And btw, before you call me a coping schizo, this has already happened in some animal breeds.
>feel superior
Honey, they are superior
>People who have superior genetic traits should not feel superior or make judgements
Your post is bad and you should feel bad.
>muh hecking height
kek being a millionaire is better than being a giant freak with weak knee
A guy who women flock to for his money and pretends that's love is happier?
A guy who women flock to for his height and pretends that's love is happier?
Women always love conditionally lmao. Height isn't better than money
No no no you're supposed to tell people IT'S OVER and regurgitate self deprecating nonsense from chink incels not say reasonable things
Post reeks of reddit
>People who judge you based on genetically predisposed things aren't people you should give a shit about.
You shouldn't give a shit about me then. I judge people by their personalities.
The extent of the effects of both environment and genetics on personality is far more ambiguous and variable than that of genetics on physical traits such as height. Quit being a defeatist asshole.
>the effects of both environment and genetics on personality is far more ambiguous
that's just because it's nigh impossible to measure personality objectively.
And how the fuck does that weaken my argument at all? What part of 'ambiguous' do you not get?
I'm hinting that the "muh environment" stuff is a god of the gaps. ambiguity means we can either accept not knowing or we can make an assumption.
philosophically the path to perfect knowledge would be to refuse to make an assumption ever. unfortunately this would render you a passive observer in life. it's good to be careful when we make assumptions, but we must make assumptions to live.
so let's make an assumption based on the limited facts we do know. we do know that whenever we can measure something about people it turns out to be largely or entirely genetic. so what assumption would you make about personality, knowing this? I would assume that personality is entirely genetic and await proof to the contrary, for any particular trait. there certainly are some traits people pick up due to life circumstances, things that weren't predetermined at birth. but even that has the caveat that a person with different genetics might have reacted differently to the environment and, for instance, not been traumatized by a certain event that was enough to traumatize somebody else. even things that are commonly perceived as entirely environmental like "trauma" actually have a large genetic component to them. again, god of the gaps. the more I looked into the subject the more I found that people who otherwise act very rational suddenly put on blinders and believe lots of things to be environmental simply because they want to believe that, not because it makes more sense. I view any claim of environmental influence as dubious nowadays. I err to the side of genetic because it seems to win out every time you look more closely.
>we do know that whenever we can measure something about people it turns out to be largely or entirely genetic
While this might be true, keep in mind that 'personality' is hard to define and that the only measured traits are measurable traits, and just because a trait is not measurable doesn't mean it's not a trait. You can't really measure motivation, empathy (EQ seems like BS to me), kindness, optimism, etc. Sure, there are proxy measures for those things, but nothing as direct as IQ for intelligence, violent crimes for aggression, etc. While it is perfectly logical to assume a large genetic component for mostly everything about us, I think it's rather pessimistic to assume the environmental effect is negligible. It's good that your reasoning is based on data, but don't throw out common sense and intuition in the process.
Sure, nogs are more violent and stupid on average, but rich nogs from white suburbs usually turn out to be latte drinking homosexuals. Sure, asians tend to be high IQ hard workers when they first arrive in the US/Canada, but their kids have a 50/50 chance of becoming cock sucking apostles of BLM. None of this negates their genetic propensities towards things, but the effect of environment on personality seems undeniable to me, even if there's little "data" to support it.
Now, how much are we actually able to personally change ourselves is another question, but it seems like a self-fulfilling prophecy to deny any hope of improvement by assuming that genetics control everything.
Also it's bitchy and woman-like as shit to passive-aggresively imply that everyone should be as miserable as you.
>I think it's rather pessimistic to assume the environmental effect is negligible.
okay, that's the second time so I'll ask. why? what's negative about that? it's not like the environment significantly shaping you is purely optimistic either. a nurture-centric view means that you're a candle in the wind. something could happen and suddenly you're a different person. nobody can rely on you still being the same person, no accountability. in fact diminishing accountability is a huge reason why nurture arguments are so popular - that shit was grown as a psychological weapon in the legal system. lawyers get their clients off by pleading that the client isn't a monster, it's just the environment that made him murder somebody. temporary insanity, or a (real or invented) difficult childhood as a mitigating circumstance, all those things.
betting on nurture as this big force that shapes us also opens the door to self-doubts where people lament their past as something that ruined them, and they can't let go of certain flaws because they see those flaws as something that happened TO them, rather than decisions they made. I find great power in accepting past mistakes of mine as expressions of some inherent weakness I carry with me. it might sound counter-intuitive, but if it was genuinely my fault then it's also up to me to fix it. I need to find a way to change my very core (beliefs, habits etc) to prevent that same mistake from happening again. meanwhile in the nurture view you can always find some mitigating circumstance to absolve yourself of true fault. you can tell yourself, if only this or that hadn't happened TO me I would not have made the mistake. it breeds a victim mindset in my opinion, so I'm surprised that you think it's a hopeful idea.
and I do see the flip side. if everything is genetic and we take a naive, oversimplified view on genetics (!) we could tell ourselves that once a failure, always a failure. I get it but that's not my side.
>rich nogs from white suburbs usually turn out to be latte drinking homosexuals
richest black neighborhood has more crime than poorest white neighborhood.
I'd counter that you can also find one civilized (or even a faggy, latte drinking) black person in the worst ghetto imaginable. again, I don't oversimplify genetics. that's a separate issue.
>t. Ugly dicklet manlet cope
Nice try little man
Oooh look at this guy he’s levitating above the rest of us.
Since you’re so above judging people based on genetics outside their control, I’m assuming you will purposely marry an ugly woman, yes?
Fucking retard you do the same exact shit without realizing. NPC behavior.
Height obsession is cringe. We should judge women by cervix length.
Cope retarded manlet. You can't outlift genetics
I'll never stop being obsessed with tall girls
As a red blooded evropean man, I MUST conquer. Imagine she trapped you and sat on your face... that would be so unbearable r-r-right? Hahaha imagine the smell, not that I'd want that to happen thought, but what if?
She's European you retard
I fail to see how this changes anything, If anything, this makes me want to go full conquests even more.
that would be so weird haha, btw does anybody have sauce? I mean just in case
i'm obsessed about my (future) wife's height tho.
>based amazoness enjoyers
I’ve fucked around with girls ranging from 5’10 to 6’4, all my friends call me a “tree climber”, damn right I am lol
Being insecure in your height is extremely effeminate.
Ok Napoleon
Napoleon was an absolute legend.
Will you be remembered in 300 years?
>will you be remembered in 300 years?
Will YOU be remembered at all, for anything, you pathetic, short, insecure, coping manlet homosexual?
Incel rage
You're angry, manlet.
one of the greatest generals to ever walk earth. Literally has a whole era of wars named after him. I take that as a complement lol.
Napoleon lost chud
There are many days I wish he hadn't.
much like Hitler Napoleon was not short in his time. all men were shorter back then. IIRC Napoleon was average and Hitler was actually slightly on the tall side.
I'm just gonna call it: the shorter you are in the west, the more bullshit you have to deal from people. Retard still can't make the connection in 2022.
You're living in a made up world fuelled by your obsession with social media.
Bot response.
No, manlets have always been looked down upon. This just naturally carries it's way online where most incel manlets vent about their problems.
If you had ever left home after high school you'd know how bullshit that is, it's very rare for people to bring up height at all and I've never seen an adult being disrespected for being short unless it was a literal dwarf. If people make fun of your height it's because they already don't respect you and they wouldn't be any nicer to you if you were tall
if you ever made an honest assessment of the situation, you'd be agreeing with him.
nope, you are just retarded
No it's not "bullshit" short men are generally considered lesser and that's a fact. Sorry that outright verbal expression is the only way for you to recognize this.
Not him, but this is exaggerated here on SwoleShack because usually guys that are considered lesser are guys around 5'5 and bellow while anywhere from 5'6 to 5'10 is considered to be normal in most places. In here even 6 foot isn't considered tall which it's already above average and many women will already see you in the taller side of things.
it's a preferable trait, but you are hugely conflating the consequences of that, it has a marginal effect on your life unless your dream is to be a basketball player or something
>"boo hoo I'm not a 6'5", 110kg of muscle, 150IQ chad with blue eyes, a deep voice and a fat cock, no one will ever respect me and my life is in shambles"
Elliot Rodger and people like him are manlets, just putting that out there.
Even in China you're fucked if you're a male below 180cm due to the massive excess of males.
>what an absolute train wreck of a post
How am I wrong?
In China every male is under 4’11
I'm 5'4" and nobody has any idea when I post body. Even irl they tell me I look maybe a little less than average height. It's because my arm span is 5'7". It was never about height. It was about your upper body. Lifts and surgery won't change a thing. In fact, the few people with spatial awareness will think you look worse because your upper body will be relatively smaller. The only thing you can do to compensate is lift weights. Normies straight up tell you this too. They explicitly refer to lifting weights as compensating.
Never understood why men reproduce with very short women. Even the ancient Greeks knew this created kinglets and openly mocked it.
>Even humanities height of logical and reasonable thinkers knew this.
6'5 is the ideal male height
5'11 is the ideal female height
6'1 is the you made it cutoff
Below 5'7 is have a nice day tier
Anything below 5'2 is unbreedable as a woman unless you want midget children
Anything over 6'5 is too shitty to live with day to day because you outgrew being a human.
This is not debatable
>This is not debatable
It is. Watch this.
Post body.
I'm 215cm tall
I've seen midgets with wider shoulders...
>48T jacket size
>5’11” ideal female height
I work with a girl that’s 5’11”, everyone calls her Groot. Tall is not a feminine quality.
>Tall is not a feminine quality.
WRONG.
You're just short.
>tall is feminine
Yes.
>you're short
Yes.
>being tall is ideal
Ywnbaw
homosexual blackpill
he little fella :3
ideal height of a woman is 5'10-6'3
i am a conqueror that must climb mountains
I'm 6'5"
6'3" is probably closer to the ideal imo
I am 5'10"
Tallest girl I slept with was 6'0" or maybe more (not fat)
lankcels on suicide watch
Yes, unironically. You are born with a set of cards, how you play them is up to you. So the choice is to
a) Accept disadvantages and try to work around them
b) Wallow in self pity and defeat
I would trade my facial aesthetics for being born with inherently better discipline. Being attractive as a man doesn't mean much when you're nearing 30 without any real professional accomplishments.
are you fucking stupid? my dad was 6'3" and he'd hit his head on doorframes, and couldn't drive a mini cooper rental when his car died one week.
had to take it back to the rental place and get a truck.
being that tall is just pointless, and gives you back problems.
I'm not obsessed, but I'm also not going to pretend being 5'6 hasn't greatly decreased my chances at ever finding love. I'm just realistiic.
You have to make money bro. No if ands or buts. You should get an mba on top of a technology/engineering degree and work up from project to upper management. Or you could get a parrot job like doctor or lawyer.
>Just be rich bro!
It's not hard to do. If you are too poor to afford schooling then just become an indentured mercanary and use the GI welfare queen bill. Then get a bs from a mill like wgu in CS then get a masters from somewhere good like UC Berkley then get an mba from another degree mill like university of phoenix. You can do all of these online in your free time.
>just get 2 degrees on debt
>use your U of Phoenix MBA
i thought you were trying to MAKE money
You'll just be in a loveless relationship with a women who only wants you for your money. Might as well just buy hookers then.
This. And reminder that the ugliest, poorest retard in your town is still having regular sex, so there’s really no excuse for you.
Admitting that isn't the same thing has obsessing about it or using that has an excuse to not put in the work you need in life, your attitude is just being rational. If you are on the shorter end make it up with money, physique or some other shit, women don't care about height exclusively.
pysique on a 5'6 body is just cope. and working myself up a corporate ladder, spending tons of nights studying, and politicking my way into a good job; just to have a girl to pretend to love me seems a waste of time.
Making more money won't make women think you have better genetics. Then you'll just be desired to be a provider for some women when she's 32 and her life isn't going anywhere and she wants security. Other than surgery, it's not going to make you look more attractive, just more useful than if you were broke.
If you're already at a crappy disadvantage, why even bother playing the game? Just do something else, like how they made people monks back in medieval times if they were born with shit genes instead of being knights.
Reminder the manlet pit is not to seclude us, but to protect us from the mean spirited lanklets.
Bots blame others for their genes because it relieves them of their prejudice, instead of just accepting that they are prejudiced. Lol
>be 5'11
>rage that its not a nice round numbers
I wish I was 6 so its just clean. Imagine benching 220, thats how I feel
bro its literally just regular ass male banter
That tweet is very funny. Poojeetas are very cute.
Will they (manlets) ever learn?
Anything under 5'9 is FINE. STOP OBSESSING.
Average dudes get plenty of pussy and being tall only helps you until 6'3, and is widely considered a 1.2x boost to facial attractiveness. Also it's over for lanklets
in my experience it's always womanlets that are concerned with height
>Indian women are the size of Latvian womans leg.
WTF
But anon, I AM 5'5"
6ft 180lbs Latvian here, almost every woman I meet looks the same height as myself, I'm kind of a manlet haha, but I like tall big women so it's hot to me.
Women here are short compared to the men just like anywhere else, you're just a manlet.
t. 6'4" and get constantly heightmogged by zoomers
iam 6'3 latvian and love tall women aswell... i remember like 2 years ago there was beatiful blonde woman my height in my gym but she was always with her chad boyfriend(who was actually shorter than her)
also iam talking with 6ft milf who has sent me so much nudes... we might meet up to fuck next week
No shit. If you are a man of average height, you are still towering over most women. People here never interact with real world and their only view of the world are blackpill videos and podcasts with low quality skanks brainwashed by social media, but if you talk with normal women, you'll find that they don't care about your height for the most part, provided you aren't a midget and you are taller than them. I have litteraly never had a woman in real life rejecting me for my height and I'm only 5'8 and 95% of the women I interact with are shorter than me
>gets mogged by a 75th percentile woman (1 in every 4 you see)
Forever a little baby boy
I would sterilize myself if I was taller than 6’2”. Being too tall is a genetic mistake. Not aesthetic and more prone to
Health problems.
does this include old hags?
THERES NO WAY THE AUSTRALIAN GIRLS (20-30) ARE 5'4 ON AVERAGE NOT EVEN CLOSE
aussie girls are 5'4" on average and aussie men (even the whites) 5'10" on average. It's the reason why 6'1" zyzz towered over crowds, despite what shitposters on SwoleShack who overestimate their own height by 4" say
mate i am 181cm (5'11) measured barefoot late at night, i dont consider myself short or anything near that but most girls in college and around melbourne are about 7-12cm shorter than me
i would argue aussie girls are about 170cm (5'7) on average if you remove the old cunts and maybe the asians that roam around
all of my cousins were like 5'4 by age 11-12
It could just be that the median range of girls in Australian are tall while "most" are just average.
SCOTLAND
SCOTLAND
SCOTLAND
Agreed, although I would hope most if not every post about height is just shitposting since the point of this board isn't fitness. Not even memeing, with how easy it is to get in shape and maintain it, all that's left is memeing and now we have the eternal height shitposting.
I wonder how down bad can some anons get in order to actually take shitposting seriously. And they say that autists are immune to propaganda... right.
I just want to be 6'5 Jotaro Kujo but that will never happen because im a fucking 6'1 manlet
>And the tall guys, you didn't make it just by being tall if you barely even lift and are still an autistic retard, also stop projecting your homo closeted fantasies regarding manlets
This is based and true, I'm tall and fit but socially retarded - still got 0 bitches
The funny thing is that 95% of threads about height are created by lanklets. The rest is just short guys on suicide watch (aka demotivating shit).
>piercing
ruined
I am 6 foot, decent face, never had sex or even kissed a girl. It is actually my personality’s fault. I look very similar to my brother and father and they’re both successful in the sexual market. But I’m shy, autistic and a simp. My personality is a huge pussy repellent.
Me on the right.
>T. Manlet rager
>t. Woman
Lmao. Go to any clubs dance floor and see the reality of the situation for yourself. Download any dating app and see the reality of the situation for yourself.
Height matters a lot in the West.
Women are very picky because there's a lot of competition. Even the fucking midgets want tall guys.
If you're short just focus on yourself and don't do all these workarounds because it'll only hurt you in the future.
Manlet here, maybe I'm just charismatic, but I never had issues with women in highschool or college. I just sort of existed and the fuckers gravitated towards me. Very strange.
God Empress of Latvia-kind and her Aryan Custodes
yeap. IDK they pushes the incel meme so hard. Perhaps payed demoralization shills?. after all the israelite fears the healthy test man.
I love being 5'10, an inch above the national average, and I can fit in any car and wear pretty much anything
Being 8'0 would be fun though
I am from Latvia. I am 6'/183 cm. It is very common to see girls that are as tall as me. It's also not uncommon to see girls taller than me.
Personally I like shorter girls, they are cuter.
I feel like if I were to go to India I would think girls there are midgets.
which gym you go to?
The one I went to regularly closed in September/went out of business. Haven't signed for a new one and been working out in my own home gym, and running a lot.
Dont care didn't read. I am proud of myself but I won't stop bettering my self
5'11. I have had no trouble with shorter girls. Seems like it's a problem if you make it one.
Am I a creature for being 5'7.5? Should i end my life in front of my mother for having created something so heinous as a short man? Am I truly less than human? An unlovable freak who should plunge into the abyss for being unacceptable? Am I so unloveable that I may never find solace, love, and acceptance from others? Am I NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO FEEL HAPPINESS FOR THE WAY I AM