does fasting cause you to lose more muscle or protect it when going on a cut compared to deficit? I hear literally opposite things from different people
does fasting cause you to lose more muscle or protect it when going on a cut compared to deficit?
u will 100% guarantee lose muscle if you fast even if u try to mitigate it
You'll lose muscle
Your body needs protein to carry information around your body and keep it running, it'll take the protein from somewhere.
Try not eating for 2 days and see how fast you lose strength and muscle.
Just learn how to eat healthy
starvation takes 3 days to begin since your bowels are very fucking long, but other than that you right
just eat at a deficit and get all of your protein in. you dont need to fast unless you're obese
Im trying to ask what is better for maintaining muscle - deficit or fasting? If fasting doesn't at least maintain muscle a little better then what the fuck is the point? Also how to max muscle retaining while cutting?
>deficit or fasting?
Food obviously
>Also how to max muscle retaining while cutting?
Get fucking stronger, lift harder, more reps, more sets
Attack the weights, don't just go through the motions, push yourself to lift more
read the sticky. eat enough protein at a deficient. you will lose a lot more muscle fasting then eating at a deficient with enough protein.
>What the fuck is the point
Fasting as a means for cutting is primarily a meme. Fasting is great for autophagy, overall health, for obese people who need to lose weight, or really anybody who wants to lose weight fast, maybe even for dietary control. But if you're cutting from a bodybuilding point of view, with a goal of preserving muscle, it won't help in that regard at all, and there is no point.
fucking retards i dont mean like extended fasting for days i mean intermittent fasting at most like OMAD or a 20:4 window. jesus christ
>I was only pretending to be retarded
OMAD and 20:4 and leangains and all that, in the end, boil down to IIFYM
That's not fasting though that's just a limited eating window
Welp, try it out and let us know cunt
If you mean the HGH increase you get from intermittent fasting, that's also a meme. The only meaningful spike in HGH begins after 24 hours of fasting, but at that point it's not enough to have an effect on preserving muscle because you haven't ate any protein.
Just eat chicken cutlets and broccoli for a bit and nothing else.
The only benefit I get from fasting seems to be that my appetite forcefully shrinks itself. I was binge restricting on a 1.5k cut but I'm just gonna fast for 2 days for like 4 weeks at maintence not counting cardio and then move to a 500cal cut on top of the cardio I already do but skip fasting. From what I see (after experimenting nyself) is that IF is the best fasting protocol for gain loss mitigation with my current benefit of much appetite loss. All it is is CICO but you don't get protein on a fast. The most efficient t weight loss
Protocol is called PSMF by lyle mcdonald. Literal hell, that's what I was doing your hungrier than fasting
On top of this eating roughly 3-5 meals a day is thenoptimal amount for PMS which mitigates catabolism of mass. 4 is the sweet spot IMO. 2hours after wake 4 hours 4 hours 2hours before slumper. If u can't see it through to Jumpstart the scheduled eating just abuse Caffeine while unfix it and then by week 2 quit caffeine and raw dog the last 2 weeks and it should be all g...75-1g/lb lbm of protein BTW. Just divide it by the number of meals. This is all if your autistic of xourse
Look at who shills/practices it and you can guess.
>fasting
Morbidly obese DYELs
>cutting
Pro BBers who need to retain as much muscle as possible
>Cutting
Body lacks the nutrients to stay at a surplus, but there is enough protein.
>OMAD/time restricted diet
You feel a lot better as the mood swings and blood sugar levels can go fuck themselves
>actual fasting
So your body has basically 3 days worth of food in the guts.
While that is happening and after, torn amino acids get recycled if possibly, but the buffer has a limited size, and certain acid types get lost along the way, eventually reducing available building material.
Brainfog due lack of salt is a possibility, but optional.
Addendum:
Fastest form of muscle loss is inactivity.
All I get from SwoleShack or research papers is that all 3 entire processes is very poorly understood, and entrenched fields are just tradition more than facts.
Fasting might be better than cutting because its faster, but there is that pesky problem of it not working for the 3 first days. And then there is that pesky problem of body signals, which cutting is a way to cheat.
Fasting is eating 0 protein. You tell me?
With a deficit, even if it's a heavy one you still get to eat protein.