Cycle opinions?

Would 200 mg test 400 mg nandralone and 100 mg yk11(all injected) with topical ru58841 and oral minoxidil be a good hair safe cycle?

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    there is no such thing as a hair-safe cycle
    nandrolone is the worst compound for balding, stick to sarms for less (but still present) androgenic side effects.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      nandrolone doesnt convert to DHT

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >nandrolone is the worst compound for balding
      Deca is the best compound for hair. It converts to DHN, which is so weak compared to DHT and other steroids that cause hair loss.
      ... Still would not recommend taking deca if you are concerned about your heart and long term health.

      no.

      1) where's the fin? that's the basis of any effort to preserve your hair
      2) related to (1), you don't want to combine nadrolone and fin, so that's out
      3) minox is for regrowth, not saving your hair.
      4) imo avoid peptides, they're big unknowns long term

      so, yea, my advice
      -400-750mg test as your main anabolic
      -as much fin as you need to keep DHT levels low on that dose (do bloods)
      -boldenone as your supplementary injectable, figure out the dose that balances your e2 for your test dose
      -anavar as your oral, use it for kickstart and finisher
      -you could maybe experiment with dbol too, its also supposed to be fairly hair safe. but ofc only if you are not prone to estrogenic sides.

      the above should be 100% hair safe once you figure out all the dosages
      also will allow you to avoid AI use
      if you want anything more, either say goodbuy to your hair or look into GH/slin

      >-as much fin as you need to keep DHT levels low on that dose (do bloods)
      Finasteride at maximum decreases DHT by 70%. If you're taking 500mg (let's say that's 4-5x the normal amount of testosterone your body produces) you're still going to have 1.2-1.5x the amount of DHT in your body. If you're running high dose testosterone, that's when you start using dutasteride, which decreases DHT by 90%
      >-boldenone as your supplementary injectable, figure out the dose that balances your e2 for your test dose
      EQ is way worse on your hair than simply taking an AI like aromasin
      >-anavar as your oral, use it for kickstart and finisher
      Anavar crushes SHBG => higher free-T *and higher free-DHT*. Anavar is relatively hair safe compared to other steroids like Masteron but it still isn't something that I would add in if hair loss were my primary concern

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Deca is the best compound for hair. It converts to DHN, which is so weak compared to DHT and other steroids that cause hair loss.
        >... Still would not recommend taking deca if you are concerned about your heart and long term health.
        correct on all counts
        but we should add that this is why combining fin and deca is a bad idea
        it prevents the conversion to DHN and therefore *increases* the androgenic sides of nadrolone

        >Finasteride at maximum decreases DHT by 70%.
        ... with normal test levels. keep in mind that what fin actually does is prevent 5a-reductase from working. doesn't really matter how much test you have floating around if you can't convert it to dht.
        but yes, on a cycle, it might be necessary to switch to dut to keep DHT low enough.

        >EQ is way worse on your hair than simply taking an AI like aromasin
        afaik EQ is entirely hair safe. neither it nor its metabolites are known to cause hair loss.
        and its way healthier than prolonged AI use

        >Anavar crushes SHBG => higher free-T *and higher free-DHT*.
        correct. still, given adequate fin/dut, that's not a problem

        >Anavar is relatively hair safe compared to other steroids like Masteron but it still isn't something that I would add in if hair loss were my primary concern
        all reports indicate that anavar is entirely hair safe

        but yes, if you really ONLY cared about hair safety, overall test alone (+fin/dut) is theoretically the safest. but that's pretty shitty, hence the suggestions for other hairsafe compounds to make things move along a bit quicker, and healthier.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I never mentioned combing deca and fin I specifically said ru58841 which does not prevent conversion it instead binds to receptors and prevents androgenic activity it is proven to be better at stopping hair loss than finasteride

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >I never mentioned combing deca and fin
            no, you didn't
            i mentioned fin, specifically by saying its the basis of all efforts to prevent hair loss.
            you NEED fin. or dut.
            and since you can't combine fin and deca, deca is out.

            >I specifically said ru58841 which does not prevent conversion it instead binds to receptors and prevents androgenic activity it is proven to be better at stopping hair loss than finasteride
            yes, dear, that's all wonderful
            if you wanna try your luck with peptides, that is
            i don't. i prefer that the stuff that i put in my body has been around for a few decades and has seen a few hundreds of studies. like fin has. and ru58841 hasn't.
            but yea, your body, your risk, your choice.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >YOU NEED THE DRUG THAT DOESNT WORK AS WELL

              ru58841 has been around since the 80s it is well studied and it's not a peptide

              Also I think your estrogen might be a bit high

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              why cant you combine fin and deca?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Nandrolone is thought to be more androgenic than testosterone but 5ar's to DHN which is less androgenic than DHT. So overall nandrolone has a less androgenic effect than testosterone.

                The thinking is by taking fin/dut you're lowering the conversion of nandrolone to DHN and thus you'll get a more androgenic totally effect from the increased nandrolone.

                This is all just theory really from guys like mpmd and redditors. If you go on the old roider forums like meso you'll find plenty guys on fin that do test/deca cycles.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >EQ is way worse on your hair than simply taking an AI like aromasin

        >Deca is the best compound for hair. It converts to DHN, which is so weak compared to DHT and other steroids that cause hair loss.
        >... Still would not recommend taking deca if you are concerned about your heart and long term health.
        correct on all counts
        but we should add that this is why combining fin and deca is a bad idea
        it prevents the conversion to DHN and therefore *increases* the androgenic sides of nadrolone

        >Finasteride at maximum decreases DHT by 70%.
        ... with normal test levels. keep in mind that what fin actually does is prevent 5a-reductase from working. doesn't really matter how much test you have floating around if you can't convert it to dht.
        but yes, on a cycle, it might be necessary to switch to dut to keep DHT low enough.

        >EQ is way worse on your hair than simply taking an AI like aromasin
        afaik EQ is entirely hair safe. neither it nor its metabolites are known to cause hair loss.
        and its way healthier than prolonged AI use

        >Anavar crushes SHBG => higher free-T *and higher free-DHT*.
        correct. still, given adequate fin/dut, that's not a problem

        >Anavar is relatively hair safe compared to other steroids like Masteron but it still isn't something that I would add in if hair loss were my primary concern
        all reports indicate that anavar is entirely hair safe

        but yes, if you really ONLY cared about hair safety, overall test alone (+fin/dut) is theoretically the safest. but that's pretty shitty, hence the suggestions for other hairsafe compounds to make things move along a bit quicker, and healthier.

        >afaik EQ is entirely hair safe. neither it nor its metabolites are known to cause hair loss.
        and its way healthier than prolonged AI use
        You are both somewhat incorrect. Aromasin is literally a steroid, unlike arimidex and letro. Yes, EQ is hair safe (possibly moreso than aromasin) but it's no safer for health long term than aromasin.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >nandrolone is the worst compound for balding
      Retarded. Also OP, your best bet is you care about balding would be a deca only cycle. Can cause issues for some people but a little bit of dbol helps. I only did it once as an experiment and felt fine.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        not OP, but deca *only* is an exceedingly bad idea.
        deca + dbol is much better, at least you'll have *some* estrogen floating around (well, methylestrogen to be precise, but whatever) to keep you from going into nodick/feel like dying mode.
        but, as always, test is best.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Have you ever tried it, know anyone that's done it or just regurgitating what you learned elsewhere?

          Doctors didn't/don't prescribe testosterone alongside nandrolone, bodybuilders in the 60's and 70's commonly did deca only cycles and there are still proponents of it today.

          That doesn't mean everyone or even most people should do it it won't have issues, but it does mean the kind of sides you're taking about aren't universal. I've crashed my e2 before and I know exactly what it feels like but thing deca only didn't have that effect on me. Did you never consider the possibility that nandrolone or one of its metabolites might have enough estrogenic activity itself in some people for this not to be an issue?

          First hand experience trumps "le science".15 years ago people would scoff at the idea that EQ could crash your e2 because the common thinking was that it aromatised and people even recommended using an ai with it. That's despite the fact people with actual experience knew it was lowering their estradiol somehow.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Doctors do prescribe nandralone alongside trt lol

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Have you ever tried it
            no, im WAY too young for that shit

            >know anyone that's done it
            only deca specifically, no
            but i've had to "troubleshoot" a couple oral only cycles(2xwinny and amazingly, once it was halo) for some retarded friends of mine, which should be pretty similar.
            tldr without test you don't have any estrogen so you feel like shit and your dick don't work.
            hence why dbol helps a lot in those situations, it provides the estrogen

            >I've crashed my e2 before and I know exactly what it feels like but thing deca only didn't have that effect on me
            aside from your joints feeling better because deca, the rest ought to be the exact same.

            >Did you never consider the possibility that nandrolone or one of its metabolites might have enough estrogenic activity itself in some people for this not to be an issue?
            afaik nadrolone has no estrogenic activity (nor do any of its metabolites)
            it has progesteronic activity, which is not the same

            >First hand experience trumps "le science"
            hey man, if it works for you, enjoy that shit.
            but i feel obliged to mention that its probably a very bad idea, for the benefit of other anons.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              So essentially you have no experience and area parroting stuff you've seen/read.
              >aside from your joints feeling better because deca, the rest ought to be the exact same.
              >afaik nadrolone has no estrogenic activity (nor do any of its metabolites)
              Yeah, and when I started using gear 20 years ago people would have said the same regarding the ai effect of eq. That's why "le science" will always be inferior to personal experience.
              Like I said I had zero low e2 sides when using deca only.

              Doctors do prescribe nandralone alongside trt lol

              What I said is that when deca has been prescribed clinically the doctor doesn't go "oh but you need a test base, bro". Deca has been used in medical settings for decades, I'm not talking about the more recent practice of trt mills offering addons.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Doctors didn't/don't prescribe testosterone alongside nandrolone, bodybuilders in the 60's and 70's commonly did deca only cycles and there are still proponents of it today.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Get a load of this guy! Lol. Fucking retarded advice homosexual.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >nandrolone is the worst compound for balding
      no, it's one of the best for balding, but it's horrible for your cardiovascular system

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        No human studies, Gays with HIV have taken 200mg a week of it for decades while getting all kinds of disgusting pathogens and they aren't dropping dead

        We aren't winstar rats

        Op 200 test 200 deca is more than enough for anyone not looking to be a competitive bber

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          why not just tell him to do 300 test with 30mg anavar

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    no.

    1) where's the fin? that's the basis of any effort to preserve your hair
    2) related to (1), you don't want to combine nadrolone and fin, so that's out
    3) minox is for regrowth, not saving your hair.
    4) imo avoid peptides, they're big unknowns long term

    so, yea, my advice
    -400-750mg test as your main anabolic
    -as much fin as you need to keep DHT levels low on that dose (do bloods)
    -boldenone as your supplementary injectable, figure out the dose that balances your e2 for your test dose
    -anavar as your oral, use it for kickstart and finisher
    -you could maybe experiment with dbol too, its also supposed to be fairly hair safe. but ofc only if you are not prone to estrogenic sides.

    the above should be 100% hair safe once you figure out all the dosages
    also will allow you to avoid AI use
    if you want anything more, either say goodbuy to your hair or look into GH/slin

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Jesus christ dude. That’s a lot of fucking sauce lol

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        yea, i was describing the maximal hairsafe cycle, basically
        naturally, a beginner needs to stick to lmao500test
        with fin/dut, if they are prone to balding and want to avoid it.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Nandralone causes 4x less hair loss than test but gr8 b8

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Ru58841 is better at stopping hairloss than finasteride the minoxidil is just in case

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    thank you for not shitting up the /fraud/ thread with your balding hairlet problems

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Hairsafe fags will never make it. Primo is good. Masteron is good. Tren is good. Anavar & Winstrol are good. People act like all their hair will fall out right away. Takes years / decades of abuse to lose it unless your genes are dogshit.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This is right as long as people pay attention and use common sense. I've seen people say that once the masteron got high enough their hair just fell out in clumps. Clearly they didn't care at that point, but as long as people don't blindly go balls deep then nothing serious is going to happen from trying.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    its pointless to roid unless you are gay and want the attention from males.

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