Same, i literally just thought after my set "whats the point" and ever since then i removed almost all compounds ans use dumbells and machines now mostly
At what point did you grow out of this pointless ego lift?
that's the thing; it's not a great leg exercise, it makes you go T-rex mode, it's not a great back exercise, there is always some teenage prodigy on tiktok who can mog the hell out of you on DL weight, and you will never be the strongest deadlifter in peoples' memories... worst of all as an ego lift it looks terrible and isn't a "cool" looking lift at all. It makes you look like you're about to shit yourself. Bonus: it will you tear your biceps
>it's not a great leg exercise >it makes you go T-rex mode
T-rex mode means big legs you retard
>it's an ego lift >it doesn't look cool and nobody will remember you for your deadlift >but it's still an ego lift
you're like a poorly coded AI that generates fitness-related sentences but keeps contradicting itself.
This but for squats and barbell bench. Will always love the deadlift since picking something heavy off the floor fulfills some base instinct I have, but I only train it when I got room for it and I'm feeling good.
I'm not some ugly pale mayo person who has to cope by doing useless ego lifts who nobody cares about so I never had to grow out of it.
i simply just do not understand deaddlifts. looks like the easiest way to blow your back out and ive never seen a solid fazeek thats contingent on how much you deadlift
>It’s on par with pull ups as the least fun lift.
How to spot a DYEL instantly.
>wahhh the heavy difficult lifts ARE TOO HARD waahhhh
Guess what? They get easier and more fun the stronger you get. If you put as much effort into actually lifting as you do phasing out the best lifts from your routine you would enjoy deads and pullups by now.
If you're not a "mayo person," you're by definition ugly. Not like a non-white would get the self-overcoming, solitary quality of strength training anyway
I'm not the guy you were replying to before and i'm also not brown, just wanted to bring up the insecurity to prompt you to do a bit of self-reflection as to why you got so triggered when you saw someone type 'mayo person'
great, thanks. Might want to reflect that about yourself too considering how you felt the need to go on this diatribe about the topic
1 year ago
Anonymous
I don't think it's much of a diatribe to simply point out the obvious, but it's not uncommon for those who are insecure to be particularly wounded when it's pointed out
1 year ago
Anonymous
You sound like the one wounded mate. I'll readily admit I was indulging myself, but you on the other hand REALLY take this seriously..
1 year ago
Anonymous
Not him, but you might want to look up what a word means before using it.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Means gays trying to play some impartial pop science shrink in a fucking IST thread. Reeks of self-importance. Get a life, you mediocrities
>What has your race ever invented, btw
mathematics, medicine, music, universities, hygiene (something you disgusting dairy smelling apes seemingly still haven't mastered), algorithms, clocks, cameras, the first plane, maps, music. must I go on?
>hygiene >none of his countries have running water
Lol don't make me laugh. Sadly you don't have an indo european conqueror class doing your heavy lifting for you anymore, and your IQ is at 90 average, with no achievements in millennia
1 year ago
Anonymous
we had beautiful hammams while your ancestors were still living in trees you pale ape
your disgusting people still wipe their asses with a piece of paper and think they're clean, no wonder no women wants to be near you when you reek like shit all of the time
> citation needed
try reading a book for once you retard
The findings were that women prefer the darker skinned mayo men (ie Mediterranean chads) not nordic pasty cucks
all the "meds" who a darker skinned are arab or black rape babies
1 year ago
Anonymous
Imagine making a thread about deadlifts and then having a schizo shitpost about white people. This place is hilarious.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>no women wants to be near you
you have to keep your women locked down and trash bags to keep them away from jumping on us lmaoo
1 year ago
Anonymous
lmao your greatest minds were from white countries that had become part of the empire.
1 year ago
Anonymous
You've been blown the fuck put mate, pope down will ya?
Says the brown guy who had to seethe at white people in a thread completely unrelated to them lmao. What has your race ever invented, btw
bro you obviously missed the past 2000 years of history where Rome fell and then the byzantine empire/arab world preserved and advanced all the knowledge of humanity while whites toiled in the mud for 1000 years and died off from plague. It was "the browns" who literally enabled the renaissance to occur as western scholars "rediscovered" the classics by making trips to the arab world to study
1 year ago
Anonymous
We both know you're inferior, why even bother with this cope?
1 year ago
Anonymous
Despite the sort of golden age of the middle east had for a while (which pales in comparison to the Roman heights before it and the European heights after it by the way) it is impossible to read the history of the last 2000 years and not see a pretty obvious hierarchy on who the "achievers" were kek. A fucking log on the ground could see it. All civilizations have ups and downs but the Muslim world's highest high was pretty mediocre compared to the European world. The Arabs etc. did have some moments of relatively notable success though for sure which is more than some groups can say.
The chinks had moments of high achievement. So did the Egyptians obviously, you can mention the Persians, even the Poos in their own way. However the Europeans of course take the ribbon and it isn't even close.
Unironically what does someone unrelated to you inventing something have to do with you? You're still on a tranime website and are most probably, based on the demographics of this site, a jobless loser.
That's exactly his point though, famous inventors are part of the same extended family AKA race. As whites, we are more related to each other than we are to you. That's just genetics, that's in our DNA. Collectivizing our achievements though IMO does take away from our high performing individuals that should be recognized on their own as exceptional.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>extended family AKA race
Try calling a Frenchman and an Italian "fellow whites" a few centuries back. This whole "white, brown, black etc." identifier is a recent mutt phenomenon. People (non-mutts) refer to each other by their ethnicities, and normal people don't need to latch on to the achievements of their countrymen. My great great grandad had multiple slaves and I couldn't care less. Whatever he done back then has no bearing on me.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Having slaves is not an achievement, in fact your great great grandfather was probably a real lazy fuck. How you could categorize that as an achievement is beyond me, I'm sure you feel guilty about it and that's why you hold your current stance.
If it really has no bearing on you then why aren't your proud of your heritage and who you are? What's the point in living if you have no identity, no culture?
And don't try to say white Americans have no culture. We have a culture, just half of it, which is the more conservative culture isn't exported.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Could you imagine what a thankless and difficult task it would be to corral that group of people to conduct manual labor? No small achievement for better or worse imho. The difficulty of that task is often overlooked.
1 year ago
Anonymous
You make a good point, but when I look at people who held slaves, I look at them the same way I see people today who employ illegal immigrants, taking jobs and fair wages away from poor and underprivileged Americans.
Slavery didn't end because we suddenly saw blacks as people, slavery ended because it's like meth for governments. It's free, it produces some productivity and some wealth but it removes potential jobs from the economic system. Everyone eventually agreed that it would be better to pay people to do these things rather than enslave people to do them, because then you have customers which can help support the rest of the system instead of slaves who don't participate.
1 year ago
Anonymous
The major material difference between what was going on back then and what is going on now with illegal immigration is that the people back then could have NEVER reasonably expected that a group of people would be so goddam insane that they would fight a war to turn them loose like that. People know this now with immigrant labor.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Everyone eventually agreed that it would be better to pay people to do these things rather than enslave people to do them
Lol this is what southern education does to you. Look up indentured servitude and what the prison system does. The south's economy ran on slave labor and did for years after slavery ended.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Southern education has been no different than northern education since the 1960s bozo.
Which is to say the north finally got their way after immediately attempting the same thing in reconstruction when they appointed freedmen as principles/teachers/uni presidents/etc. (and legalized miscegination to boot).
Anyways hard labor has always been dictated by varying forms of serfdom, slavery, debt, rent etc. that has never not been the case until the heretofore unknown material prosperity and technology (farming machines) of the 1950s onward. Look at how the north imported dregs from Ireland and worse into their big concrete consompolitan urban greaseholes as more or less serf populations of "huddled masses." Even now the north has lead the charge importing more illegal immigrants labor from South of the border than there ever were slaves to start with. Abe Linvoln was literally the first major proponent of "unlimited immigration." So the south wasn't doing anything that bizarre especially when you remember it was thoroughly unfathomable in the time that theor norther neighbors would be so goddam insane as to turn them loose and give them the vote lol. That was a mistake on their part.
1 year ago
Anonymous
It's not an achievement, I just stated a fun. I was td a lot of stories about him but honestly, none of it matters to me in terms of who I am as a person. I don't have "pride" for being randomly assorted into this race. I live for myself and my family and loved ones. My identity is something I make for myself. It's not bestowed upon me.
Also, I don't know why I have to explain this to you but European cultures, especially northwestern, southwestern, southern and northern European cultures developed side by side and all play an integral role in each other's history, language and genetics. Charlemagne, Napoleon, Hitler, Caesar are all leaders who influenced the culture, language and governmental systems in each of their own respective moments in time in European history.
The vikings, the romans, the normans, the franks, the nazi's, the communists, etc etc all influenced european history as a whole. Languages which have latin roots derive from ancient periods, governmental systems derive themselves from ancient periods. The brutal feudalist system which so many of these countries practiced influenced their culture, their language, their food, art, history, architecture, behavior everything. Everything is influenced.
I find it hilarious that you make this argument when we live in the times of the European Union and NATO. Obviously both of these suck but the underlying effort of uniting Europeans together as one people is not faulty or mistaken in my opinion.
>underlying effort of uniting Europeans together as one people is not faulty or mistaken in my opinion.
This will simply never happen. All those peoples you have mentioned are different. For centuries, people who look like one another have been killing each other due to not being from the same area. It's just the way it is. Proximity with other people, whether they are similar to you or not, will always cause conflict.
It's perfectly natural for people to have pride in the achievements of their people. Having said that some people do cross a line and conflate these things with personal achievements, which is retarded. But it is equally retarded to say people shouldn't have pride in their ancestors. Also, I'm not suggesting Euros should ever stop respecting their more regional ethnic classifications but goddam modern history is basically a big crash course on why it would have been better if they had cultivated a more American "white" sense of identity instead of kneecapping themsleves with constant infighting.
Also even in Yurope all of the modern races are the product of various European admixtures. These component parts along with defining eras in their regional history and culture have sort of "minted" a new race of people if you will. The bongs are a great example of this. And if you get too far into the weeds artistically you begin to see the wisdom of the American style "white" type of identity. It is hard for the autist to understand but there is a great deal of practical utility in seeing the "major" categories of people even if these classifications are heavy handed and imperfect (white, black, Asian, Arab, New world Latin, etc.)
I agree that having pride in your ancestors and whatnot isn't a bad thing in a modern sense, where your mind is constantly under psyops attack from people who want you to have pride in things like consuming media and whatnot. It just gets stupid sometomes like ITT
1 year ago
Anonymous
That's the thing, you weren't randomly assorted into your race. You have a misunderstanding of existence. Things do not happen by chance.
So what exists as "you" can only exist from your birth and experiences up to this point. You are an entirely unique human being (I assume, but some IST AI videos have me nervous.) If "you" had been born to an African family you wouldn't be "you" you are a lot more like a firecracker. Your fuse was lit and you exploded, there will never be another configuration of neurons and DNA that will produce an exact replica of "you" ever again. You are entirely unique, even down to the molecular level.
There is no magic pachinko machine that exists before everyone's born that sorts them into different groups of people. There is no selector, as far as I know.
Based on observations, I think we are the culmination and consolidation of our evolution. You could have genetic memories from your ancestors, there are little pieces of them inside of you. Little quirks, it's 40% software and 60% hardware because of gene expression and how your genes get expressed differently depending on stimuli.
No matter what you do you are fundamentally connected to your distant ancestors, you are not "something new" and something "special" you are running on the same hardware the anglo saxons and vikings etc, maybe even the indo aryan or anatolian farmers that came before them. You aren't a brand new design, by any stretch of the imagination. There are many haplogroups that make up "you" and in a way you are a physical manifestation of your peoples history, but you as a conscious individual are like a tornado, wild fire.. You were only ever going to be you, if you were someone else you wouldn't be you, you wouldn't exist at all.
You literally wouldn't exist if "you" were black. Because you cannot exist as anything else, you are a neural network built from the hardware of your ancestors and you are utterly unique down to the molecule.
1 year ago
Anonymous
If you aren't religious, there's no reason to believe that things aren't random. The universe is big enough that a version of you, down to the atomic level, could be made. Life is absurd. You just happened to be wherever you come from. You could have been a starving ethiopian baby, you could have been a Mongol a millennia ago.
1 year ago
Anonymous
You don't understand the meaning of the word "you" like I said, you're unique. You can't happen again, you have billions of neurons, and that's just your neuron's we're not even talking about everything else that makes you you.
You will never happen, ever again. Your formation of neurons is unique, you've got billions of them and they have hundreds of ways of communicating with each other. When you say "you could have been a starving African child" it's a sentence that is factually incorrect. Because that starving African child is a different person with a different history, with a different set of hardware and software.
You seem to believe that consciousness or a "soul" exists outside of your physical being, but if it does it doesn't matter because we can't use it for anything. We can't tap into it, we can't observe it. So even if your soul existed in an ancient Mongolian mounted archer, it doesn't matter because it has no bearing on who you are because you are a unique conscious being- which BY THE WAY is constantly changing. Your neurons are not static, your brain doesn't just stay the same forever. It ages, old bridges atrophy and new neural bridges are built- your brain from year 8 and your brain from year 23 are two entirely different brains with very little of the same structure and scaffolding besides what is vital for development.
1 year ago
Anonymous
This stuff about never happening again is just as hogwash as what I said, anon. With how probability, everything has a chance of happening again, given enough time. And billions of years is enough time.
We'll just have to agree to disagree, because neither of us will be able to convince the other about things like this. We'll know when we die.
1 year ago
Anonymous
You may ask yourself, why aren't multicellular organisms immortal- what is stopping us from being that way? Why can't our DNA just build an immortal body that lasts forever? Well it solved this problem a long time ago, reproduction is our version of immortality. You are the sum of your parts, you cannot exist, which, this is absurd if you meditate on it, unless your ancestors passed on their genes to create you.
Your literal past lives are your ancestors, because you are literally a consolidation of all of them on a material level. So when you say that you could have been some mongol, that's bullshit unless you had a mongol ancestor. Or unless the soul exists outside of our physical, material being. Which makes it completely irrelevant to what we're talking about. Because neither of us know any more about it than the other.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Also, I don't know why I have to explain this to you but European cultures, especially northwestern, southwestern, southern and northern European cultures developed side by side and all play an integral role in each other's history, language and genetics. Charlemagne, Napoleon, Hitler, Caesar are all leaders who influenced the culture, language and governmental systems in each of their own respective moments in time in European history.
The vikings, the romans, the normans, the franks, the nazi's, the communists, etc etc all influenced european history as a whole. Languages which have latin roots derive from ancient periods, governmental systems derive themselves from ancient periods. The brutal feudalist system which so many of these countries practiced influenced their culture, their language, their food, art, history, architecture, behavior everything. Everything is influenced.
I find it hilarious that you make this argument when we live in the times of the European Union and NATO. Obviously both of these suck but the underlying effort of uniting Europeans together as one people is not faulty or mistaken in my opinion.
1 year ago
Anonymous
It's perfectly natural for people to have pride in the achievements of their people. Having said that some people do cross a line and conflate these things with personal achievements, which is retarded. But it is equally retarded to say people shouldn't have pride in their ancestors. Also, I'm not suggesting Euros should ever stop respecting their more regional ethnic classifications but goddam modern history is basically a big crash course on why it would have been better if they had cultivated a more American "white" sense of identity instead of kneecapping themsleves with constant infighting.
Also even in Yurope all of the modern races are the product of various European admixtures. These component parts along with defining eras in their regional history and culture have sort of "minted" a new race of people if you will. The bongs are a great example of this. And if you get too far into the weeds artistically you begin to see the wisdom of the American style "white" type of identity. It is hard for the autist to understand but there is a great deal of practical utility in seeing the "major" categories of people even if these classifications are heavy handed and imperfect (white, black, Asian, Arab, New world Latin, etc.)
holy cope, the science on male attractivity has been settled and it's a fact that women generally prefer dark men over mayo monkeys. the only race less attractive to females are pajeets and asian "men" but every woman would prefer a black, med or arab men over some pale loser.
ever wondered why only asians and white bois care about deadlifting? it's because they think that it will make up for their lack of masculinity but outside of other asian and white losers nobody cares about it, especially not females
Black men with their ugly lower class wide features, low IQs, and service jobs? Inbred Arabs, who work as male barbers? You only have access to bottom of the barrel, fat, tattooed white women
Yeah keep delivering my food and shut the fuck up lmao
>omen generally prefer dark men >forgets to mention that it's dark white men, not shitskins
The fact is that they prefer dark men that are still white, you dumb shit. Shitskins are even more unattractive than Asians.
Actually if white guys weren't castrated by estrogens and being onions'd by the feminist education system which makes men softer they would be the most popular for sure.
Actually white males who are actually masculine and not fucked up what mentioned prior slay the most.
i simply just do not understand deaddlifts. looks like the easiest way to blow your back out and ive never seen a solid fazeek thats contingent on how much you deadlift
I am serious how fat and or weak do you have to be? How little of a mind muscle connection do you have to not know that deadlifts are a useful lift? How shit is your form and execution? I really need to know these things
It has more to do with anons watching some shitty YouTube video with a title like "NEVER DO THIS, HOW DEADLIFTS ARE KILLING YOUR GAINS AND YOUR FAMILY"
Deadlift is great for back muscles and hamstring development.
fucked my back up AGAIN on this shit lift. got tired or lazy with my bracing on my very last rep of very last set
fuck this gay lift and squats nothing else punishes minor lapses as much
If you fucked you back up, you need to go down in weight and practice your technique again. It takes thousands of hours of practicing technique for you not to fuck up your back and proper technique is also dependent on your build, short guys and tall guys, people with long femurs or long tibia will perform the lift differently with proper form. Because you have different bio mechanics, because your limbs are literally different lengths in proportion to each other.
The right way for you is different than the right way for another guy. Find someone experienced who looks like you and figure out how they deadlift, there is a standardized form and technique you should start with that might apply to you. Try that first for awhile and see what happens, but never ego lift. Ego lifting on deadlift is snap city, you will fuck yourself up. I have a technique that works perfect for me and my legs are long as shit.
315 double overhand raw no lifting belt, no pain. Only been lifting for a year or so cumulatively.
My technique is getting parallel with the barbell, starting with it about an inch away from my shins- I do a narrow frog toed style because that's what I was taught. My feet aren't too narrow together but they need to provide good structure to actually lift a lot of weight. I keep my back straight and lift with my legs, almost like I'm leg pressing the weight off of the ground. I carefully and cautiously allow my erector spinae to right me automatically as I pull up. I lock out but I don't lean back, as that is snap city.
I never carefully put the weight back down, that is snap city. I let it drop and everyone else who thinks I shouldn't can eat shit and die.
When I stopped caring what other people think and started pulling high rep sumo sets which are better for my frame. All the same benefits to the posterior chain without risking your spine. Pulling conventional every week is idiotic. Even most trainers prefer romanians.
Sumo's don't build mass the way conventional deadlift does. Like I said, I pulled 315 yesterday night and my back feels awesome- besides delayed onset muscle soreness which is typical of training.
It entirely depends on your build. Someone with short limbs and a long torso needs to pull sumo to have the same back angle as someone with long arms. My back is parallel to the ground when I try to pull conventional which is not at all ideal for numbers, hypertrophy, or safety.
I never have to do anything remotely similar to those movements in daily life. I have to pull from the floor often, but usually carry it after that. So maybe weighted carries have a bit more utility tbh
The explosive movement element of cleans is what makes them far superior to the slow static deadlift. I can attest from football that the guys who show skill at the fast snatching type motion will always be better players. In life it is usually about explosive movement and that is what most lifters miss in their routines tbqh.
You can certainly get your mind and body more accustomed to fast explosive movements through training and you can improve in that area. Surely there is some amount of predetermined skill in this area but it can always be trained. It's the same as anything lol.
But yes I think irl strength is like 80% explosive movements rather than slow static strength movements. If you are trying to look better something like cleans will probably be worthless though.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>but it can always be trained.
To an extent. My point is that the fact that they're better at cleans than they are at deadlifts it isn't an indicator that deadlifts are worthless for strength
1 year ago
Anonymous
No but it is a clear indicator that people who are better at explosive movements are better at applying their strength to most real life movements in general which is apparent and obvious I believe.
Let's keep in mind that my original point was that cleans are better for real life movements vs deadlifts. I stand by that point especially for people who neglect explosive movements in their routines.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>better at applying their strength to most real life movements in general
They're better at sports. Daily activities don't really require the kind of explosive strength necessary to sprint, jump, throw, etc. >especially for people who neglect explosive movements in their routines.
Of course, you shouldn't neglect them. Even so I think the general population would benefit more from only static strength training over only explosive strength training.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Sports much more accurately capture the types of "real life" movements we are talking about imho- particularly contact sports like handegg.
And the problem is that the general population almost exclusively only does static slow movements already. There is no shortage of that lol.. People in general neglect explosive movements in weightlifting.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>particularly contact sports like handegg.
I'm no expert in contact sports but I really don't think Tim from down the block runs around tackling people. He might move furniture though. >There is no shortage of that lol.. People in general neglect explosive movements in weightlifting.
I know that. I think they shouldn't. Still, I don't think it's wise to have them primarily practice explosive drills over static strength movements.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Idk I mean shoving people, throwing something over your shoulder, punching, throwing things, there are tons of things where it is useful. In general it is just better if people got used to moving explosively in that way imho.
I mean it sounds like we basically agree except for the degree to which explosive movement is used every day so I'm not going to like argue I guess.
cleans are too technical a lift for a beginner without a trainer. some dyel trying to watch a youtube video and try to go do full cleans is retarded
if you aren't an egolifting retard diddys are an easy lift to learn and help beginners avoid injuries on other lifts. once you move past baby weight I think theres a valid argument
I've been doing cleans since middle school so I'm biased but imho I've got other hobbies that are 50x more complicated than weightlifting and I don't think it's too much to ask for someone to start light and learn how to do cleans. They really aren't that complicated.
If you can’t do a proper deadlift, just say that. A majority of my back day consists of deadlifts, and it works tremendously for strengthening my back, improving my posture, and overall is a great posterior workout in general. Sure, there are people who throw on ridiculous amounts of weight and ignore every bit of form and muscle connection just to get the weight up. That’s like any lift. But when done properly, you aren’t actually about to tell me that deadlifts are a great foundational lift to improve overall posterior health and strength.
Protip: fitness blogs and influencers are a horrible sources to get workout tips from. It’s pretty common for these people to post articles like “deadlifts are killing your gainz” and “why you should ditch deadlifts” cause they know it’s going to draw in clicks.
Tweaked my lower back deadlifting a few years ago and it hasn't been the same since. After a few months I felt like it was fully recovered and tried to ease back into deadlifting. Ended up reaggravating the injury within a few weeks just doing babyweight. I have now accepted that doing higher volume, lower weight exercises is probably the more sensible thing for me now that I'm in my mid 30s.
I like deadlifting because its fun but I have been moving around a lot because of work and the bars in my new gym are absolute pig iron garbage with no grip, they feel like someone rubbed oil on them. So I was struggling and at one point failing to do the same weight I did last week at a different gym no problem. I probably looked like an ego lifting ass retard but it was making me so angry I kept trying to make the rep. Damn....maybe I was ego lifting.
I still do them, but I'm starting think about not aiming for going super heavy (by my standards)
Like I just turned 25, just lifted 315 with a normal barbell for one rep.
Part of me really wants to stack more weight on there and continue to lift more.
But I'm also not getting younger. Thinking maybe I should stick to just 315 and increase reps to boost strength without potentially compromising myself in the future.
I used to use the trap bar. I could do like 350+ for reps with it.
Literally nobody worth mentioning does their deadlift training with a double overhand grip. It's either hook or mixed. Double overhand grip is just too restrictive
When I stopped larping as a powershitter and realized I had no interest in competing.
Same, i literally just thought after my set "whats the point" and ever since then i removed almost all compounds ans use dumbells and machines now mostly
that's the thing; it's not a great leg exercise, it makes you go T-rex mode, it's not a great back exercise, there is always some teenage prodigy on tiktok who can mog the hell out of you on DL weight, and you will never be the strongest deadlifter in peoples' memories... worst of all as an ego lift it looks terrible and isn't a "cool" looking lift at all. It makes you look like you're about to shit yourself. Bonus: it will you tear your biceps
fag
>it's not a great leg exercise
>it makes you go T-rex mode
T-rex mode means big legs you retard
>it's an ego lift
>it doesn't look cool and nobody will remember you for your deadlift
>but it's still an ego lift
you're like a poorly coded AI that generates fitness-related sentences but keeps contradicting itself.
This but for squats and barbell bench. Will always love the deadlift since picking something heavy off the floor fulfills some base instinct I have, but I only train it when I got room for it and I'm feeling good.
Post physique with timestamp weaklettes
never, i did 485x5 today
Sounds like a nice warmup set.
Warming up for doing your mom!!
never, its fun
Fun? It’s on par with pull ups as the least fun lift.
I like pull ups and deadlifts you fatty fat fat
>pullups and deads aren't fun
You're weak, we get it. Maybe just say that next time x
have you considered the fact that you are not gonna make it
>It’s on par with pull ups as the least fun lift.
How to spot a DYEL instantly.
>wahhh the heavy difficult lifts ARE TOO HARD waahhhh
Guess what? They get easier and more fun the stronger you get. If you put as much effort into actually lifting as you do phasing out the best lifts from your routine you would enjoy deads and pullups by now.
It's on par with squats for the most fun lift
Pull ups are easily the most fun and sexiest lift to do, I love them so much
Alex Jones getting juicy
Underrated
I'm not some ugly pale mayo person who has to cope by doing useless ego lifts who nobody cares about so I never had to grow out of it.
If you're not a "mayo person," you're by definition ugly. Not like a non-white would get the self-overcoming, solitary quality of strength training anyway
absolute stench of insecurity coming off this one anon
Says the brown guy who had to seethe at white people in a thread completely unrelated to them lmao. What has your race ever invented, btw
I'm not the guy you were replying to before and i'm also not brown, just wanted to bring up the insecurity to prompt you to do a bit of self-reflection as to why you got so triggered when you saw someone type 'mayo person'
great, thanks. Might want to reflect that about yourself too considering how you felt the need to go on this diatribe about the topic
I don't think it's much of a diatribe to simply point out the obvious, but it's not uncommon for those who are insecure to be particularly wounded when it's pointed out
You sound like the one wounded mate. I'll readily admit I was indulging myself, but you on the other hand REALLY take this seriously..
Not him, but you might want to look up what a word means before using it.
Means gays trying to play some impartial pop science shrink in a fucking IST thread. Reeks of self-importance. Get a life, you mediocrities
>What has your race ever invented, btw
mathematics, medicine, music, universities, hygiene (something you disgusting dairy smelling apes seemingly still haven't mastered), algorithms, clocks, cameras, the first plane, maps, music. must I go on?
>hygiene
>none of his countries have running water
Lol don't make me laugh. Sadly you don't have an indo european conqueror class doing your heavy lifting for you anymore, and your IQ is at 90 average, with no achievements in millennia
we had beautiful hammams while your ancestors were still living in trees you pale ape
your disgusting people still wipe their asses with a piece of paper and think they're clean, no wonder no women wants to be near you when you reek like shit all of the time
try reading a book for once you retard
all the "meds" who a darker skinned are arab or black rape babies
Imagine making a thread about deadlifts and then having a schizo shitpost about white people. This place is hilarious.
>no women wants to be near you
you have to keep your women locked down and trash bags to keep them away from jumping on us lmaoo
lmao your greatest minds were from white countries that had become part of the empire.
You've been blown the fuck put mate, pope down will ya?
> citation needed
>shitskin
>stealing history
Typical. Truly subhuman.
>claiming that anyone but dirty european monkeys are stealing history
literally every "white" invention was stolen from Muslims.
WE
this unironically.
bro you obviously missed the past 2000 years of history where Rome fell and then the byzantine empire/arab world preserved and advanced all the knowledge of humanity while whites toiled in the mud for 1000 years and died off from plague. It was "the browns" who literally enabled the renaissance to occur as western scholars "rediscovered" the classics by making trips to the arab world to study
We both know you're inferior, why even bother with this cope?
Despite the sort of golden age of the middle east had for a while (which pales in comparison to the Roman heights before it and the European heights after it by the way) it is impossible to read the history of the last 2000 years and not see a pretty obvious hierarchy on who the "achievers" were kek. A fucking log on the ground could see it. All civilizations have ups and downs but the Muslim world's highest high was pretty mediocre compared to the European world. The Arabs etc. did have some moments of relatively notable success though for sure which is more than some groups can say.
The chinks had moments of high achievement. So did the Egyptians obviously, you can mention the Persians, even the Poos in their own way. However the Europeans of course take the ribbon and it isn't even close.
Unironically what does someone unrelated to you inventing something have to do with you? You're still on a tranime website and are most probably, based on the demographics of this site, a jobless loser.
That's exactly his point though, famous inventors are part of the same extended family AKA race. As whites, we are more related to each other than we are to you. That's just genetics, that's in our DNA. Collectivizing our achievements though IMO does take away from our high performing individuals that should be recognized on their own as exceptional.
>extended family AKA race
Try calling a Frenchman and an Italian "fellow whites" a few centuries back. This whole "white, brown, black etc." identifier is a recent mutt phenomenon. People (non-mutts) refer to each other by their ethnicities, and normal people don't need to latch on to the achievements of their countrymen. My great great grandad had multiple slaves and I couldn't care less. Whatever he done back then has no bearing on me.
Having slaves is not an achievement, in fact your great great grandfather was probably a real lazy fuck. How you could categorize that as an achievement is beyond me, I'm sure you feel guilty about it and that's why you hold your current stance.
If it really has no bearing on you then why aren't your proud of your heritage and who you are? What's the point in living if you have no identity, no culture?
And don't try to say white Americans have no culture. We have a culture, just half of it, which is the more conservative culture isn't exported.
Could you imagine what a thankless and difficult task it would be to corral that group of people to conduct manual labor? No small achievement for better or worse imho. The difficulty of that task is often overlooked.
You make a good point, but when I look at people who held slaves, I look at them the same way I see people today who employ illegal immigrants, taking jobs and fair wages away from poor and underprivileged Americans.
Slavery didn't end because we suddenly saw blacks as people, slavery ended because it's like meth for governments. It's free, it produces some productivity and some wealth but it removes potential jobs from the economic system. Everyone eventually agreed that it would be better to pay people to do these things rather than enslave people to do them, because then you have customers which can help support the rest of the system instead of slaves who don't participate.
The major material difference between what was going on back then and what is going on now with illegal immigration is that the people back then could have NEVER reasonably expected that a group of people would be so goddam insane that they would fight a war to turn them loose like that. People know this now with immigrant labor.
>Everyone eventually agreed that it would be better to pay people to do these things rather than enslave people to do them
Lol this is what southern education does to you. Look up indentured servitude and what the prison system does. The south's economy ran on slave labor and did for years after slavery ended.
Southern education has been no different than northern education since the 1960s bozo.
Which is to say the north finally got their way after immediately attempting the same thing in reconstruction when they appointed freedmen as principles/teachers/uni presidents/etc. (and legalized miscegination to boot).
Anyways hard labor has always been dictated by varying forms of serfdom, slavery, debt, rent etc. that has never not been the case until the heretofore unknown material prosperity and technology (farming machines) of the 1950s onward. Look at how the north imported dregs from Ireland and worse into their big concrete consompolitan urban greaseholes as more or less serf populations of "huddled masses." Even now the north has lead the charge importing more illegal immigrants labor from South of the border than there ever were slaves to start with. Abe Linvoln was literally the first major proponent of "unlimited immigration." So the south wasn't doing anything that bizarre especially when you remember it was thoroughly unfathomable in the time that theor norther neighbors would be so goddam insane as to turn them loose and give them the vote lol. That was a mistake on their part.
It's not an achievement, I just stated a fun. I was td a lot of stories about him but honestly, none of it matters to me in terms of who I am as a person. I don't have "pride" for being randomly assorted into this race. I live for myself and my family and loved ones. My identity is something I make for myself. It's not bestowed upon me.
>underlying effort of uniting Europeans together as one people is not faulty or mistaken in my opinion.
This will simply never happen. All those peoples you have mentioned are different. For centuries, people who look like one another have been killing each other due to not being from the same area. It's just the way it is. Proximity with other people, whether they are similar to you or not, will always cause conflict.
I agree that having pride in your ancestors and whatnot isn't a bad thing in a modern sense, where your mind is constantly under psyops attack from people who want you to have pride in things like consuming media and whatnot. It just gets stupid sometomes like ITT
That's the thing, you weren't randomly assorted into your race. You have a misunderstanding of existence. Things do not happen by chance.
So what exists as "you" can only exist from your birth and experiences up to this point. You are an entirely unique human being (I assume, but some IST AI videos have me nervous.) If "you" had been born to an African family you wouldn't be "you" you are a lot more like a firecracker. Your fuse was lit and you exploded, there will never be another configuration of neurons and DNA that will produce an exact replica of "you" ever again. You are entirely unique, even down to the molecular level.
There is no magic pachinko machine that exists before everyone's born that sorts them into different groups of people. There is no selector, as far as I know.
Based on observations, I think we are the culmination and consolidation of our evolution. You could have genetic memories from your ancestors, there are little pieces of them inside of you. Little quirks, it's 40% software and 60% hardware because of gene expression and how your genes get expressed differently depending on stimuli.
No matter what you do you are fundamentally connected to your distant ancestors, you are not "something new" and something "special" you are running on the same hardware the anglo saxons and vikings etc, maybe even the indo aryan or anatolian farmers that came before them. You aren't a brand new design, by any stretch of the imagination. There are many haplogroups that make up "you" and in a way you are a physical manifestation of your peoples history, but you as a conscious individual are like a tornado, wild fire.. You were only ever going to be you, if you were someone else you wouldn't be you, you wouldn't exist at all.
You literally wouldn't exist if "you" were black. Because you cannot exist as anything else, you are a neural network built from the hardware of your ancestors and you are utterly unique down to the molecule.
If you aren't religious, there's no reason to believe that things aren't random. The universe is big enough that a version of you, down to the atomic level, could be made. Life is absurd. You just happened to be wherever you come from. You could have been a starving ethiopian baby, you could have been a Mongol a millennia ago.
You don't understand the meaning of the word "you" like I said, you're unique. You can't happen again, you have billions of neurons, and that's just your neuron's we're not even talking about everything else that makes you you.
You will never happen, ever again. Your formation of neurons is unique, you've got billions of them and they have hundreds of ways of communicating with each other. When you say "you could have been a starving African child" it's a sentence that is factually incorrect. Because that starving African child is a different person with a different history, with a different set of hardware and software.
You seem to believe that consciousness or a "soul" exists outside of your physical being, but if it does it doesn't matter because we can't use it for anything. We can't tap into it, we can't observe it. So even if your soul existed in an ancient Mongolian mounted archer, it doesn't matter because it has no bearing on who you are because you are a unique conscious being- which BY THE WAY is constantly changing. Your neurons are not static, your brain doesn't just stay the same forever. It ages, old bridges atrophy and new neural bridges are built- your brain from year 8 and your brain from year 23 are two entirely different brains with very little of the same structure and scaffolding besides what is vital for development.
This stuff about never happening again is just as hogwash as what I said, anon. With how probability, everything has a chance of happening again, given enough time. And billions of years is enough time.
We'll just have to agree to disagree, because neither of us will be able to convince the other about things like this. We'll know when we die.
You may ask yourself, why aren't multicellular organisms immortal- what is stopping us from being that way? Why can't our DNA just build an immortal body that lasts forever? Well it solved this problem a long time ago, reproduction is our version of immortality. You are the sum of your parts, you cannot exist, which, this is absurd if you meditate on it, unless your ancestors passed on their genes to create you.
Your literal past lives are your ancestors, because you are literally a consolidation of all of them on a material level. So when you say that you could have been some mongol, that's bullshit unless you had a mongol ancestor. Or unless the soul exists outside of our physical, material being. Which makes it completely irrelevant to what we're talking about. Because neither of us know any more about it than the other.
Also, I don't know why I have to explain this to you but European cultures, especially northwestern, southwestern, southern and northern European cultures developed side by side and all play an integral role in each other's history, language and genetics. Charlemagne, Napoleon, Hitler, Caesar are all leaders who influenced the culture, language and governmental systems in each of their own respective moments in time in European history.
The vikings, the romans, the normans, the franks, the nazi's, the communists, etc etc all influenced european history as a whole. Languages which have latin roots derive from ancient periods, governmental systems derive themselves from ancient periods. The brutal feudalist system which so many of these countries practiced influenced their culture, their language, their food, art, history, architecture, behavior everything. Everything is influenced.
I find it hilarious that you make this argument when we live in the times of the European Union and NATO. Obviously both of these suck but the underlying effort of uniting Europeans together as one people is not faulty or mistaken in my opinion.
It's perfectly natural for people to have pride in the achievements of their people. Having said that some people do cross a line and conflate these things with personal achievements, which is retarded. But it is equally retarded to say people shouldn't have pride in their ancestors. Also, I'm not suggesting Euros should ever stop respecting their more regional ethnic classifications but goddam modern history is basically a big crash course on why it would have been better if they had cultivated a more American "white" sense of identity instead of kneecapping themsleves with constant infighting.
Also even in Yurope all of the modern races are the product of various European admixtures. These component parts along with defining eras in their regional history and culture have sort of "minted" a new race of people if you will. The bongs are a great example of this. And if you get too far into the weeds artistically you begin to see the wisdom of the American style "white" type of identity. It is hard for the autist to understand but there is a great deal of practical utility in seeing the "major" categories of people even if these classifications are heavy handed and imperfect (white, black, Asian, Arab, New world Latin, etc.)
nope, u
holy cope, the science on male attractivity has been settled and it's a fact that women generally prefer dark men over mayo monkeys. the only race less attractive to females are pajeets and asian "men" but every woman would prefer a black, med or arab men over some pale loser.
ever wondered why only asians and white bois care about deadlifting? it's because they think that it will make up for their lack of masculinity but outside of other asian and white losers nobody cares about it, especially not females
Black men with their ugly lower class wide features, low IQs, and service jobs? Inbred Arabs, who work as male barbers? You only have access to bottom of the barrel, fat, tattooed white women
Yeah keep delivering my food and shut the fuck up lmao
The findings were that women prefer the darker skinned mayo men (ie Mediterranean chads) not nordic pasty cucks
>omen generally prefer dark men
>forgets to mention that it's dark white men, not shitskins
The fact is that they prefer dark men that are still white, you dumb shit. Shitskins are even more unattractive than Asians.
Actually if white guys weren't castrated by estrogens and being onions'd by the feminist education system which makes men softer they would be the most popular for sure.
Actually white males who are actually masculine and not fucked up what mentioned prior slay the most.
Meant to use onions'd but I guess autocorrect decided onion'd was funnier
hate to break it to you anon, but arab men definitely get lumped in with south asian pajeets
The beard makes his head comically large compared to the rest of his body.
Dude is a damn pencil even without giving himself a ridiculous bobble head
El monstro del basic fit
SEETHE harder shitskin
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i simply just do not understand deaddlifts. looks like the easiest way to blow your back out and ive never seen a solid fazeek thats contingent on how much you deadlift
On the contrary, nothing feels as good in your back as a properly executed set of deadlifts
Honest to God man, 5x5 dl 200lb with perfect form makes my back feel incredibly loose and flexible after.
Lmao I can nearly curl 200 lbs. Imagine being proud of deadlifting babby weight lmao
post body fat ass
I can't grow out of it because it is compressing my spine.
Will only stop when I can alivelift, which is reverse OHPing with my feet in the ceiling.
awesome, another thread ruined by race-obsessed losers
!hide
In fairness, this thread was pretty shit to begin with.
A few months ago, I realised it was retarded and only heralded by redditors. RDLs and Rack Pulls shit all over it
I am serious how fat and or weak do you have to be? How little of a mind muscle connection do you have to not know that deadlifts are a useful lift? How shit is your form and execution? I really need to know these things
It has more to do with anons watching some shitty YouTube video with a title like "NEVER DO THIS, HOW DEADLIFTS ARE KILLING YOUR GAINS AND YOUR FAMILY"
Deadlift is great for back muscles and hamstring development.
I stopped doing deadlifts a few years ago but I started again recently just doing a simple 5x5 and have had great results.
Lol dirty ass subhuman pale skinned animals are made in this thread
At what point will you grow out of posting "at what point did you grow out of X" threads?
I'll never go to snap city, I replaced my deadlifts with tyrone dick sucks to failure like many here
I am taking a 3 month deadlift sabbatical; going to see if squatting more and doing more rows also improves my deadlift
I like deadlifts a lot but they are hell to recover from once you pass the 2.5x bodyweight mark
never, hit 4 plates today
8months into SS, found its not worth the risk and call me a pussy but takes away from my squats
Larp. There's no way you could lift for 8 months and not learn how to deadlift properly.
itt: absolute bitches.
What's the difference between ego lift and heavy lift you retarded dyel.
It's a decent lift but the only reason it is so popular these days is because retards think it's cool to load the bar up and take pics.
deadlifted 315 yesterday for the first time
its what my body was meant to do
then i leg pressed 380 for reps
calf raised 240 for reps
did goblet squats from a standing position at 100 lbs, but that has more to do with what my biceps can lift then what i can actually front squat
Post back
>Working your entire posterior chain is pointless
Boomer cope.
I prefer seated good mornings and back extensions for lower back. Single leg rdl's for hammies.
I will forever hate demoralization
The singe program posted on /fit is Stronglifts 5x5 that contains 1x5 deadlift on alternative days.
The fucking board mogs you and your shitpost.
fucked my back up AGAIN on this shit lift. got tired or lazy with my bracing on my very last rep of very last set
fuck this gay lift and squats nothing else punishes minor lapses as much
If you fucked you back up, you need to go down in weight and practice your technique again. It takes thousands of hours of practicing technique for you not to fuck up your back and proper technique is also dependent on your build, short guys and tall guys, people with long femurs or long tibia will perform the lift differently with proper form. Because you have different bio mechanics, because your limbs are literally different lengths in proportion to each other.
The right way for you is different than the right way for another guy. Find someone experienced who looks like you and figure out how they deadlift, there is a standardized form and technique you should start with that might apply to you. Try that first for awhile and see what happens, but never ego lift. Ego lifting on deadlift is snap city, you will fuck yourself up. I have a technique that works perfect for me and my legs are long as shit.
315 double overhand raw no lifting belt, no pain. Only been lifting for a year or so cumulatively.
cont
My technique is getting parallel with the barbell, starting with it about an inch away from my shins- I do a narrow frog toed style because that's what I was taught. My feet aren't too narrow together but they need to provide good structure to actually lift a lot of weight. I keep my back straight and lift with my legs, almost like I'm leg pressing the weight off of the ground. I carefully and cautiously allow my erector spinae to right me automatically as I pull up. I lock out but I don't lean back, as that is snap city.
I never carefully put the weight back down, that is snap city. I let it drop and everyone else who thinks I shouldn't can eat shit and die.
When I stopped caring what other people think and started pulling high rep sumo sets which are better for my frame. All the same benefits to the posterior chain without risking your spine. Pulling conventional every week is idiotic. Even most trainers prefer romanians.
Sumo's don't build mass the way conventional deadlift does. Like I said, I pulled 315 yesterday night and my back feels awesome- besides delayed onset muscle soreness which is typical of training.
It entirely depends on your build. Someone with short limbs and a long torso needs to pull sumo to have the same back angle as someone with long arms. My back is parallel to the ground when I try to pull conventional which is not at all ideal for numbers, hypertrophy, or safety.
>sumo
Never. It's the best lift for building usable strength all across the body. And builds a strong grip, legs, and back.
Power cleans or hang cleans are far superior at building usable strength.
I never have to do anything remotely similar to those movements in daily life. I have to pull from the floor often, but usually carry it after that. So maybe weighted carries have a bit more utility tbh
The explosive movement element of cleans is what makes them far superior to the slow static deadlift. I can attest from football that the guys who show skill at the fast snatching type motion will always be better players. In life it is usually about explosive movement and that is what most lifters miss in their routines tbqh.
They will always be better players because they're naturally more explosive, not because cleans made them explosive
You can certainly get your mind and body more accustomed to fast explosive movements through training and you can improve in that area. Surely there is some amount of predetermined skill in this area but it can always be trained. It's the same as anything lol.
But yes I think irl strength is like 80% explosive movements rather than slow static strength movements. If you are trying to look better something like cleans will probably be worthless though.
>but it can always be trained.
To an extent. My point is that the fact that they're better at cleans than they are at deadlifts it isn't an indicator that deadlifts are worthless for strength
No but it is a clear indicator that people who are better at explosive movements are better at applying their strength to most real life movements in general which is apparent and obvious I believe.
Let's keep in mind that my original point was that cleans are better for real life movements vs deadlifts. I stand by that point especially for people who neglect explosive movements in their routines.
>better at applying their strength to most real life movements in general
They're better at sports. Daily activities don't really require the kind of explosive strength necessary to sprint, jump, throw, etc.
>especially for people who neglect explosive movements in their routines.
Of course, you shouldn't neglect them. Even so I think the general population would benefit more from only static strength training over only explosive strength training.
Sports much more accurately capture the types of "real life" movements we are talking about imho- particularly contact sports like handegg.
And the problem is that the general population almost exclusively only does static slow movements already. There is no shortage of that lol.. People in general neglect explosive movements in weightlifting.
>particularly contact sports like handegg.
I'm no expert in contact sports but I really don't think Tim from down the block runs around tackling people. He might move furniture though.
>There is no shortage of that lol.. People in general neglect explosive movements in weightlifting.
I know that. I think they shouldn't. Still, I don't think it's wise to have them primarily practice explosive drills over static strength movements.
Idk I mean shoving people, throwing something over your shoulder, punching, throwing things, there are tons of things where it is useful. In general it is just better if people got used to moving explosively in that way imho.
I mean it sounds like we basically agree except for the degree to which explosive movement is used every day so I'm not going to like argue I guess.
cleans are too technical a lift for a beginner without a trainer. some dyel trying to watch a youtube video and try to go do full cleans is retarded
if you aren't an egolifting retard diddys are an easy lift to learn and help beginners avoid injuries on other lifts. once you move past baby weight I think theres a valid argument
I've been doing cleans since middle school so I'm biased but imho I've got other hobbies that are 50x more complicated than weightlifting and I don't think it's too much to ask for someone to start light and learn how to do cleans. They really aren't that complicated.
>have minor scoliosis
>need to jefferson deadlift
>people look at me like I'm a fucking psycho and my lifts will never be meetup kosher
....damn....
I like it, I do sets of 8 -12 reps though. No idea what my 1RM is because I don't ego lift.
If you can’t do a proper deadlift, just say that. A majority of my back day consists of deadlifts, and it works tremendously for strengthening my back, improving my posture, and overall is a great posterior workout in general. Sure, there are people who throw on ridiculous amounts of weight and ignore every bit of form and muscle connection just to get the weight up. That’s like any lift. But when done properly, you aren’t actually about to tell me that deadlifts are a great foundational lift to improve overall posterior health and strength.
Protip: fitness blogs and influencers are a horrible sources to get workout tips from. It’s pretty common for these people to post articles like “deadlifts are killing your gainz” and “why you should ditch deadlifts” cause they know it’s going to draw in clicks.
Tweaked my lower back deadlifting a few years ago and it hasn't been the same since. After a few months I felt like it was fully recovered and tried to ease back into deadlifting. Ended up reaggravating the injury within a few weeks just doing babyweight. I have now accepted that doing higher volume, lower weight exercises is probably the more sensible thing for me now that I'm in my mid 30s.
yesterday after my last set
probably gonna do it tomorrow again tho
i hurt myself every time i did it and i just stopped about 2 years in
found out APT was the issue, once i fix it i will do it again
I like deadlifting because its fun but I have been moving around a lot because of work and the bars in my new gym are absolute pig iron garbage with no grip, they feel like someone rubbed oil on them. So I was struggling and at one point failing to do the same weight I did last week at a different gym no problem. I probably looked like an ego lifting ass retard but it was making me so angry I kept trying to make the rep. Damn....maybe I was ego lifting.
I still do them, but I'm starting think about not aiming for going super heavy (by my standards)
Like I just turned 25, just lifted 315 with a normal barbell for one rep.
Part of me really wants to stack more weight on there and continue to lift more.
But I'm also not getting younger. Thinking maybe I should stick to just 315 and increase reps to boost strength without potentially compromising myself in the future.
I used to use the trap bar. I could do like 350+ for reps with it.
DYEL here, why does the deadlift have the hands holding the bar opposite directions? Shouldnt both hands face the same way?
Some people reckon they can grip it better that way.
>some people have weak forearms and weak grips
ftfy
Literally nobody worth mentioning does their deadlift training with a double overhand grip. It's either hook or mixed. Double overhand grip is just too restrictive