That's funny. I herniated a disc and used deadlifts as rehab. Now I've done over 600 and my back never bothers me anymore. Of course, I actually learned how to deadlift correctly unlike you.
I had a lot of back pains and I also have scoliosis. Thanks to deadlifting and squats my back hurts no more, and I lift in excess of 200kg deadlifts and 150kg squats. It's weird how it works differently for some people.
i got up to 2 plates on squat and 3 plates on deads before getting a bulging disc. I think it was the squats that did it.
Not touching that shit again tbh I'm still getting bigger without them
Lol i can't imagine how badly you were fucking up to get a bulging disc at those movements. High-time-preference cunt, maybe invest in learning technique next time
>i got up to 2 plates on squat and 3 plates on deads
Fucking how. I'm at 3pl8s on deadlifts without too much trouble but struggle to go much further past 1pl8 on squat.
Can't be fucked. I'm around 5'11", weighed in at 77.3kg/170.4lbs this morning, and will forever be stuck in skinnyfat. I know I'm cursed with atrocious insertions but I don't care, it's not a reason to stop training.
It's psychological. Squat and deadlift are almost identical movements if you are going all the way down. Back has to be kept in position with squats but you also get that stretch in the bottom that springs you out, so in the end it balances out.
Geoffrey Nipples says to just load up the bar, step back, and rerack it to get used to the feeling of weight on your back. Pin squats can help too but then you don't get the springy stretch out of the hole.
Can't be fucked. I'm around 5'11", weighed in at 77.3kg/170.4lbs this morning, and will forever be stuck in skinnyfat. I know I'm cursed with atrocious insertions but I don't care, it's not a reason to stop training.
Don't spend too much time getting ready for the next rep. Lifts from the floor let you put it down and catch your breath a second, but when you're under the bar you're only getting worse, so taking like 5 seconds on the last rep just trying to catch your breath might kill your rep.
For largely the same reason, work on your descent speed. Obviously you're not supposed to dive bomb it, but as I'm sure you're aware as it gets heavier going down often gets slower, rather than faster, and this kills the next rep just as much.
Fucking around aside, where do you feel yourself failing at with the squat? I can't imagine that it would be the lower back if you can deadlift 315. Is it your knees? Ankle mobility? Are your quads failing you?
Matter of fact, just post your squat form
Guarantee you low bar squat will fix all your problems. When I first started I wondered how the hell it was possible to squat more than 1 plate. Then I realized I was resting it directly on my neck like an idiot. Now I'm at 220 kg and never been happier.
This is what filters dyel rentboys from actual lifters. If you don't come back from your first back injury stronger, you're a genetic dead end and should take up knitting.
grew out of deadlifts when i realized im too lazy to keep on loading that shit everytime i progress
now i just barbell row
squats? never, they feel to good to quit them
I grew out of deadlifts when I realized that the only thing DLs make you better at is doing heavier DLs. There's a million other exercises that have very little risk of injury for your spinal erectors. I understand wanting a strong lower back but doing the "this allows me to lift the heaviest" exercise just seems like an ego stroke.
They're just generally so physically taxing that it impacts the quality of my session.
Also none of the gyms I got to have proper DL platforms so swapping plates out is always a bitch
>"this allows me to lift the heaviest" exercise
what is sled leg press? you can literally lift cars and trucks with just your legs without nuking your lower back
>Also none of the gyms I got to have proper DL platforms so swapping plates out is always a bitch
I lift at home and have literally never set foot in a gym will someone explain what this means? Please and thank you!
I always had lower backpain, horrible posture and had trouble keeping rhythm during sex, squatting and deadlifts solved all of these for me. Plus I really enjoy them
I read a lot of papers on them and came to the conclusion that they‘re an absolute must-do exercise. The benefits of squats and deadlifts go far beyond bodybuilding!
Lost an inch of height from these retarded lifts. 500+ lbs squats and dls feels good at the time but it’s not worth living as a shorter man. You wouldn’t believe the respect loss going from 6’1” to 6’
>Have terrible muscle insertions >Takes a ton of effort to even get close to a 2pl8 squat >Still get huge muscles >Don't compress my shit due to managing massive weights
Haha get FUCKED lmao
with the covid lockdowns and experiencing gains in terms of aesthetics and overall wellbeing
no more back pain or knee discomfort
more volume distributed on my upper body
Lol i can't imagine how badly you were fucking up to get a bulging disc at those movements. High-time-preference cunt, maybe invest in learning technique next time
Translation: >>At what point did you become a weak pussy?
Moshe over here is cleaning up peddling surgeries, physical therapy, and oxycontin to the gullible goy.
Never. They're the kings of compound lifts and the two exercises best suited to keeping your body functioning properly into old age. You see those people who struggle to stand up without assistance? That will never be me.
That's because you'll be in a wheelchair with a fucked up spine
High rep leg press, hack squat, pendulum squat, leg extensions
with the covid lockdowns and experiencing gains in terms of aesthetics and overall wellbeing
no more back pain or knee discomfort
more volume distributed on my upper body
I've stopped squatting and just do enormous volume on the leg press while forcing myself to use a large range of motion. My quads actually grow now and my back/knees don't hurt. I conventional DL once per week and SLDL on my second leg day.
I do 8, 20rep "rest-pause" style sets. The set is finished when all 20 reps are completed. Both quads must touch my torso to count as a rep. I can take as many breaks as I want but I always try to get the first 10 without disrupting my cadence. I add weight when my first three sets make it to 15 reps without pausing. I do the leg press sets after doing some combination of glute/ham exercises so that my quads are fresh and my glutes/hams are fatigued. I don't load the sled very heavy. My intention is bringing the quads to near failure as many times as possible. I've been doing this for about 3 months and my legs feel amazing.
Can I do DLs with an anterior pelvic tilt? In general I'm not a fan of standing exercises because they make me suoer aware of my shoulders and hips and I never know if I do them good enough. Plus the doc says I have scoliosis to some degree, tho never mentioned if I should do anything about it.
So can I still try these? Maybe with not max possible weight just to learn the form and get my joints get used to them.
Building muscle with little strength is useless in my opinion unless you only lift to attempt to attract people or for competitive reasons which not everybody wants.
>barbell back squat
3rd hip injury and back tweak. Replaced it with hack squats, suck my dick. Best squat was 405lb at 175lb so not great but better than the gay getting ready to call me a pussy. >deadlift
Never got hurt by a deadlift and hit 475lb but now I can't fit it into any routine I do now that I switched to musclebuilding instead of powersharting.
Never. They're the kings of compound lifts and the two exercises best suited to keeping your body functioning properly into old age. You see those people who struggle to stand up without assistance? That will never be me.
Don't blame the steroids or the heavy weights. Lots of guys take steroids and lift heavier than Ronnie and aren't completely crippled at his age. Ronnie must have been doing some incredibly dumb shit to end up like this.
The happy merchant absolutely adores fools doing these "exercises". You will fuck yourself up, which takes a white warrior permanently out of action and makes the merchant wealthy with you paying for expensive surgeries and physical therapies and oxycontin.
when I realized that the most (actually) impressive ego lifts are calisthenics exercises, eg muscle up, front lever, impossible dips... bonus is that they actually give you functional strength and wont blast open your abdominal cavity at its weakest point and leave you with a debilitating hernia
Never have. Never will.
In fact, if I could only do 2 lifts, these would be them. Why?
-Spike your natural gh and test.
-Compound movements recruit a tremendous amount of muscle.
-Work your entire body
Honestly, if youre not squating and deadlifting in your routine while being healthy enough to do so, you shouldnt even waste your time in the gym.
>incel
Im married and nailed hotter pussy then you jerk off too gay. >sOurCe?
T. 20 yr weightlifting experience.
They absolutely do >PrOoF?
Nah
You wouldnt be here shilling against them if they didnt.
Cope. Seethe. Dialate.
Had ACL reconstruction and meniscus surgery in March...finally doing some squats. 1pl8 but w/e it is something. They feel so fucking good bros. Same with deadlifts...almost up to 3pl8 since they are way less taxing on the knees. They also feel so fucking good. The key with these lifts is to not be retarded/overdo it
My routine on legs and lower body includes thigh squeeze/push, both types of leg curl, squats with a kettle-bell and calf raises. These are retarded and you can throw your back out if you fuck up the form even slightly.
Purely showoff workouts.
I personally believe the only real exercise you need is deadlifts. I only stopped doing them because I had some issues with my elbow and it wasn't healing. Was in the best shape of my life on basically a deadlift only routine with some random OHP.
>gets hurt
Get your form down with light weight before going heavy. Work on, your hip and ankle mobility. Work on thoracic spine extension through both movments.
No one here will post proof that heavy squats make you shorter. Its just a low IQ like a meme. By that logic hanging from a bar with weight would make you taller but we know that doesnt work from the many manlets that have tried. So why would the opposite work?
The spine is flexible and elastic unless you have a serious accident it should snap back
I stopped Deadlifting at 26. Squatted 350 at age 30 and decided to just stick to 225 at most for now on.
I lift for health and aesthetics. Im not a power lifter, and I don't really care about PRs. There are plenty of other things to do besides DLs that are quicker and less dangerous. Same with squatting, I never go heavier than 225 and my quads are just as big as when I was going heaver.
Good for you. 225 is a solid number for anyone to be able to squat comfortably outside of competitive weightlifting (which is a tiny portion of the population).
Curious why you think deadlifts are dangerous? I've never had an issue with them, but interested in why someone else might avoid them. Have you gotten injured doing them before?
Interesting. I've always found squats more 'dangerous', insofar as there feels like more risk while attemping a heavy lift. Not sure how people injure themselves deadlifting when you can just drop the bar when it's too heavy. But all of our bodies are different I guess. Stay safe and do what works for you!
Squats are easy for me. >just drop the bar if it's too heavy
That doesn't fucking work when it doesn't feel bad until it's too late and your back suddenly fucking tears out of nowhere. Dumbass.
>Curious why you think deadlifts are dangerous?
Honestly I have no good reason. I have never been injured from them before but they just always felt unnatural to me. Maybe its my body type or something.
I also simply dont enjoy them. It takes too long to setup, they tax all my energy and I just feel that there are other exercises that give the average lifter the same benefits.
When you hurt your back and can't do them anymore like me
Wow. Same here. I wonder how many of us there are?
That's funny. I herniated a disc and used deadlifts as rehab. Now I've done over 600 and my back never bothers me anymore. Of course, I actually learned how to deadlift correctly unlike you.
I had a lot of back pains and I also have scoliosis. Thanks to deadlifting and squats my back hurts no more, and I lift in excess of 200kg deadlifts and 150kg squats. It's weird how it works differently for some people.
i got up to 2 plates on squat and 3 plates on deads before getting a bulging disc. I think it was the squats that did it.
Not touching that shit again tbh I'm still getting bigger without them
Learn to squat correctly. I feel great the day after a nice 4 plate squat session.
Lol i can't imagine how badly you were fucking up to get a bulging disc at those movements. High-time-preference cunt, maybe invest in learning technique next time
*at those numbers
>i got up to 2 plates on squat and 3 plates on deads
Fucking how. I'm at 3pl8s on deadlifts without too much trouble but struggle to go much further past 1pl8 on squat.
Please post body rn. Not going to be mean, this is genuinely for science
Can't be fucked. I'm around 5'11", weighed in at 77.3kg/170.4lbs this morning, and will forever be stuck in skinnyfat. I know I'm cursed with atrocious insertions but I don't care, it's not a reason to stop training.
It's psychological. Squat and deadlift are almost identical movements if you are going all the way down. Back has to be kept in position with squats but you also get that stretch in the bottom that springs you out, so in the end it balances out.
Geoffrey Nipples says to just load up the bar, step back, and rerack it to get used to the feeling of weight on your back. Pin squats can help too but then you don't get the springy stretch out of the hole.
This is about what anon looks like most likely
I'm at 2pl8 squat but only 2pl8 deadlift. Wild.
Don't spend too much time getting ready for the next rep. Lifts from the floor let you put it down and catch your breath a second, but when you're under the bar you're only getting worse, so taking like 5 seconds on the last rep just trying to catch your breath might kill your rep.
For largely the same reason, work on your descent speed. Obviously you're not supposed to dive bomb it, but as I'm sure you're aware as it gets heavier going down often gets slower, rather than faster, and this kills the next rep just as much.
Fucking around aside, where do you feel yourself failing at with the squat? I can't imagine that it would be the lower back if you can deadlift 315. Is it your knees? Ankle mobility? Are your quads failing you?
Matter of fact, just post your squat form
Guarantee you low bar squat will fix all your problems. When I first started I wondered how the hell it was possible to squat more than 1 plate. Then I realized I was resting it directly on my neck like an idiot. Now I'm at 220 kg and never been happier.
At what weights did that happen? I made a goal to get to intermediate on these lifts then never go higher.
Yep, now I tell people to squat and deadlift so they can feel my pain
This is what filters dyel rentboys from actual lifters. If you don't come back from your first back injury stronger, you're a genetic dead end and should take up knitting.
You hurt your back because you were pulling too much weight without proper form you stupid retarded ass dyel bitch.
2 years into lifting when I realised the majority of people doing these at the gym looked like crap
low weight high rep
grew out of deadlifts when i realized im too lazy to keep on loading that shit everytime i progress
now i just barbell row
squats? never, they feel to good to quit them
>gooder
I've been thinking about dropping them because they just don't cenecct with me thr way other exercises do.
I hitch my DLs so they basically turn into squats anyway.
Never did them. The ones who rave endlessly about muh squats and muh deadlifts seem like massive fags, so I just never bothered.
I grew out of deadlifts when I realized that the only thing DLs make you better at is doing heavier DLs. There's a million other exercises that have very little risk of injury for your spinal erectors. I understand wanting a strong lower back but doing the "this allows me to lift the heaviest" exercise just seems like an ego stroke.
They're just generally so physically taxing that it impacts the quality of my session.
Also none of the gyms I got to have proper DL platforms so swapping plates out is always a bitch
>"this allows me to lift the heaviest" exercise
what is sled leg press? you can literally lift cars and trucks with just your legs without nuking your lower back
>sled leg press
>not nuking your lower back
What're some good other exercises for spinal erectors? They're the weak point in my deadlift so I'd like to work on it some.
bent over rows
>Also none of the gyms I got to have proper DL platforms so swapping plates out is always a bitch
I lift at home and have literally never set foot in a gym will someone explain what this means? Please and thank you!
I always had lower backpain, horrible posture and had trouble keeping rhythm during sex, squatting and deadlifts solved all of these for me. Plus I really enjoy them
>had trouble keeping rhythm during sex
I recommend doing bicep curls on your right arm. That should help strength the relevant muscles.
I read a lot of papers on them and came to the conclusion that they‘re an absolute must-do exercise. The benefits of squats and deadlifts go far beyond bodybuilding!
it is scientifically proven that if you cant squat you are a pussy
>toxic masculinity
Go back to r*ddit, gay
>hammies
I've never trusted my back to hold up to ego deads always stuck with weights I could rep 10 times or more.
I havent grown out of these ego lifts, what exactly should I be doing instead
Masturbation to failure.
Deadlifts are great for bulking. I don't understand what is meme about them since they do so much with one lift.
There is no reason to be alive if you can't do deadlift
>dies deadlifting
There wasn't a reason to be alive.
I can squat 455 ATG but can't pull 495. Even 315 feels painful and exhausting.
You must have T rex arms (and legs, I guess)
I got tired of waiting for the power racks to open up at my gym since it’s always occupied so I dropped these in favor of hack squats and DB RDL
Lost an inch of height from these retarded lifts. 500+ lbs squats and dls feels good at the time but it’s not worth living as a shorter man. You wouldn’t believe the respect loss going from 6’1” to 6’
i lost 3 inches. never again.
>Have terrible muscle insertions
>Takes a ton of effort to even get close to a 2pl8 squat
>Still get huge muscles
>Don't compress my shit due to managing massive weights
Haha get FUCKED lmao
Heavy squats shrunk me 6 inches in my penis
Trap bar replaces both squats and deadlifts. Twice a week, one day high reps and the other low.
>t. retard
When I got kettlebells. Swings replace deadlift and you can squat like a normal person without fucking up your back.
>t. weak boomer
with the covid lockdowns and experiencing gains in terms of aesthetics and overall wellbeing
no more back pain or knee discomfort
more volume distributed on my upper body
What's the alternative for leg hypertrophy?
High rep leg press, hack squat, pendulum squat, leg extensions
Doesn't exist. Every leg presser is a dyel, no exceptions.
Moshe over here is cleaning up peddling surgeries, physical therapy, and oxycontin to the gullible goy.
That's because you'll be in a wheelchair with a fucked up spine
>That's because you'll be in a wheelchair with a fucked up spine
Absolute DYEL cope tier shit going on here.
>oy vey you anti-semite
fuck off, moshe
Dip belt squats
Post body.
Those are accessories, imo
If you're capable of squatting without hurting yourself, you should
That's a pseudo powerlifter opinion.
single leg variations that don't massively load your spine
Front squat
>b-but it hurts my necksie!!!
Suck it up you little fairy
I've stopped squatting and just do enormous volume on the leg press while forcing myself to use a large range of motion. My quads actually grow now and my back/knees don't hurt. I conventional DL once per week and SLDL on my second leg day.
How many sets and reps do you go for on leg press?
I do 8, 20rep "rest-pause" style sets. The set is finished when all 20 reps are completed. Both quads must touch my torso to count as a rep. I can take as many breaks as I want but I always try to get the first 10 without disrupting my cadence. I add weight when my first three sets make it to 15 reps without pausing. I do the leg press sets after doing some combination of glute/ham exercises so that my quads are fresh and my glutes/hams are fatigued. I don't load the sled very heavy. My intention is bringing the quads to near failure as many times as possible. I've been doing this for about 3 months and my legs feel amazing.
with similar weights as your squat?
I just squat and DL once a week with fairly light weight to keep the motion fresh. Otherwise I just do a lot of dumbbell lunges
Can I do DLs with an anterior pelvic tilt? In general I'm not a fan of standing exercises because they make me suoer aware of my shoulders and hips and I never know if I do them good enough. Plus the doc says I have scoliosis to some degree, tho never mentioned if I should do anything about it.
So can I still try these? Maybe with not max possible weight just to learn the form and get my joints get used to them.
But I also want to build strength as well.
Building muscle with little strength is useless in my opinion unless you only lift to attempt to attract people or for competitive reasons which not everybody wants.
>barbell back squat
3rd hip injury and back tweak. Replaced it with hack squats, suck my dick. Best squat was 405lb at 175lb so not great but better than the gay getting ready to call me a pussy.
>deadlift
Never got hurt by a deadlift and hit 475lb but now I can't fit it into any routine I do now that I switched to musclebuilding instead of powersharting.
Once I started taking them seriously my entire body got a lot stronger
Never. They're the kings of compound lifts and the two exercises best suited to keeping your body functioning properly into old age. You see those people who struggle to stand up without assistance? That will never be me.
K
>Steroid abuser lifting far more weight than is necessary to keep your body functioning properly
K
Don't blame the steroids or the heavy weights. Lots of guys take steroids and lift heavier than Ronnie and aren't completely crippled at his age. Ronnie must have been doing some incredibly dumb shit to end up like this.
But he got himself a white bitch
Translation:
>>At what point did you become a weak pussy?
The happy merchant absolutely adores fools doing these "exercises". You will fuck yourself up, which takes a white warrior permanently out of action and makes the merchant wealthy with you paying for expensive surgeries and physical therapies and oxycontin.
when I realized that the most (actually) impressive ego lifts are calisthenics exercises, eg muscle up, front lever, impossible dips... bonus is that they actually give you functional strength and wont blast open your abdominal cavity at its weakest point and leave you with a debilitating hernia
Never have. Never will.
In fact, if I could only do 2 lifts, these would be them. Why?
-Spike your natural gh and test.
-Compound movements recruit a tremendous amount of muscle.
-Work your entire body
Honestly, if youre not squating and deadlifting in your routine while being healthy enough to do so, you shouldnt even waste your time in the gym.
>spike your natural gh and test
Imagine buying into this meme unironically. Those SS trannies certainly look like natural born roiders!
Post body
Get mogged, nerd
This guy actually stole my pic from the current body thread, fuck what a fag.
That pic is me and I squat and deadlift weekly.
I'm FtM trans too. Don't know if that matters.
>I'm FtM trans too
Man hands
Man forearms
Man shoulders
Man hips
Youre a mentally deranged lunatic
Im the guy in the pic, that trans post wasn’t me lmao. Trolls, fags, retards are afoot
Lol yeah. I posted
in your honour. The mentally ill crawled out of there shit pits today.
Ah, good lad. This whole thread is probably just bait but it is funny to see the weaklings / idiots who agreed with it. Cope on bois
>man hips
This dude
has child bearing hips if I've ever seen them, whoever the fuck it is
Lmao many such cases
Its pretty obvious what posts belong to the mentally ill transretarded these days.
Basically any posts that contradict reality..
This has been proven decades ago.
Post proof incel
>incel
Im married and nailed hotter pussy then you jerk off too gay.
>sOurCe?
T. 20 yr weightlifting experience.
They absolutely do
>PrOoF?
Nah
You wouldnt be here shilling against them if they didnt.
Cope. Seethe. Dialate.
Maybe they spike them, but it will be a negligible amount
Had ACL reconstruction and meniscus surgery in March...finally doing some squats. 1pl8 but w/e it is something. They feel so fucking good bros. Same with deadlifts...almost up to 3pl8 since they are way less taxing on the knees. They also feel so fucking good. The key with these lifts is to not be retarded/overdo it
My routine on legs and lower body includes thigh squeeze/push, both types of leg curl, squats with a kettle-bell and calf raises. These are retarded and you can throw your back out if you fuck up the form even slightly.
Purely showoff workouts.
I personally believe the only real exercise you need is deadlifts. I only stopped doing them because I had some issues with my elbow and it wasn't healing. Was in the best shape of my life on basically a deadlift only routine with some random OHP.
Both are useless workouts try:
- leg extensions
- reverse hypers
I'm quitting this bullshit now. my lower back hurts, the day after deadlifting. AGAIN
>gets hurt
Get your form down with light weight before going heavy. Work on, your hip and ankle mobility. Work on thoracic spine extension through both movments.
is 50kg (or 110lbs in hamburger units) not light enough?
oops typo
Both are shit, they cause spinal decompression and make you shorter.
thats not what ego lifting means
Fuck you and your chronic knees and lower back pain, I'll only do bodyweight squats
No one here will post proof that heavy squats make you shorter. Its just a low IQ like a meme. By that logic hanging from a bar with weight would make you taller but we know that doesnt work from the many manlets that have tried. So why would the opposite work?
The spine is flexible and elastic unless you have a serious accident it should snap back
I stopped Deadlifting at 26. Squatted 350 at age 30 and decided to just stick to 225 at most for now on.
I lift for health and aesthetics. Im not a power lifter, and I don't really care about PRs. There are plenty of other things to do besides DLs that are quicker and less dangerous. Same with squatting, I never go heavier than 225 and my quads are just as big as when I was going heaver.
Good for you. 225 is a solid number for anyone to be able to squat comfortably outside of competitive weightlifting (which is a tiny portion of the population).
Curious why you think deadlifts are dangerous? I've never had an issue with them, but interested in why someone else might avoid them. Have you gotten injured doing them before?
Not him but I've gone to snap city twice while doing DLs. Form was perfect, but it just never felt right. Fuck deadlifts.
Interesting. I've always found squats more 'dangerous', insofar as there feels like more risk while attemping a heavy lift. Not sure how people injure themselves deadlifting when you can just drop the bar when it's too heavy. But all of our bodies are different I guess. Stay safe and do what works for you!
Squats are easy for me.
>just drop the bar if it's too heavy
That doesn't fucking work when it doesn't feel bad until it's too late and your back suddenly fucking tears out of nowhere. Dumbass.
Sounds like you don't know how to deadlift lol.
Doesn't work for my anatomy.
>Curious why you think deadlifts are dangerous?
Honestly I have no good reason. I have never been injured from them before but they just always felt unnatural to me. Maybe its my body type or something.
I also simply dont enjoy them. It takes too long to setup, they tax all my energy and I just feel that there are other exercises that give the average lifter the same benefits.
Post body.
What do you replace them with though?
When I discovered the farmers carry and prowler sled