According to the stats, 42% of Americans are classified as obese. However, this data was extracted through the BMI system, which is not always accurate. There are fit people that are classified as 'overweight,' just because their BMI is over 25. Prove me wrong.
>Prove me wrong
I have eyes.
Being a SwoleShackfag with severe body dysmorphia, you probably think anyone without a 6 pack is a landwhale.
Look at YouTube videos of Mr. Olympia events. Lots of bodybuilders with 40 BMIs. Go fuck yourself.
you are profoundly unintelligent
Please stop being retarded
skinnyfat is ugly and people should have fizeeks by now, it's 2023 get with the times grandpa
do you really the data from millions of fatties is being skewed by a handful of bodybuilders? retard
Exactly. There are way more low lean body mass people who are at a high bodyfat% despite not weighing that much than there are people in even somewhat good shape.
The average 5'9 American dude has to be 171 lbs (77.5 kg) to have a BMI of 25. So what do we consider healthy in terms of bf%? <20%? You can argue for <25%, but I think it makes more sense to go by 10-20% = ideal, 20-25% = pudgy, 25-29% = overweight, 30% = obese.
So even to be 20% bodyfat at 171, the edge of what we're calling "healthy", you'd need 136 lbs of lean mass (62 kg), which is way above average. That guy can probably at least bench 185, deadlift 3 plates or more. He's in pretty good shape. Way stronger and more muscular than the average man. And to be able to offset the stats AT ALL, you have to be at LEAST that muscular. 25+ BMI <20% bodyfat is vanishingly rare compared, even to <25 BMI >20% bodyfat, let alone the 25+ BMI and fat people. And then there are the women, and they're even worse off in this regard. The only swole women who achieve this standard are the rare gym rat women and the rare anavar roidtrannies.
I've done 1/2/3/4 and I've lost like 1.5 kg of lean mass due to an injury, but still, my lean mass isn't more than 66-something kg according to my bioimpedance scale.
BMI is a bad metric for someone who actually lifts, but these stats convey the situation very accurately.
This is so easy to look up I don't know why people argue without googling.
BMI is actually conservative, and is more likely to miss fatties than include bodybuilders; it classifies more fat people as normal than the opposite, and under-represents the number of actually obese people there are.
really makes me think
BMI also under counts skinny fats who have no muscles and too high a BF%. If anything it probably undercounts obesity considering there are more sedentary people than professional athlete types.
BMI underestimates how fucked the average american is. There are much more skinnyfatties than muscle monsters.
>There are fit people that are classified as 'overweight,'
Sure, but that's not what the vast majority of people in America are; they're not huge muscular people, they're huge fatties
My bmi is hovering around 27 but my waist/hip ratio is barely over .9. Still gonna drop some weight but it's nice knowing that I got a fat ass
Which one is easier? Being fat or being fit?
>There are fit people that are classified as 'overweight,'
Roidtrannies aren't fit.
They're just as likely to get a heart attack as an obese person.
Now I've already gone over the numbers here >
The average 5'9 American dude has to be 171 lbs (77.5 kg) to have a BMI of 25. So what do we consider healthy in terms of bf%? <20%? You can argue for <25%, but I think it makes more sense to go by 10-20% = ideal, 20-25% = pudgy, 25-29% = overweight, 30% = obese.
So even to be 20% bodyfat at 171, the edge of what we're calling "healthy", you'd need 136 lbs of lean mass (62 kg), which is way above average. That guy can probably at least bench 185, deadlift 3 plates or more. He's in pretty good shape. Way stronger and more muscular than the average man. And to be able to offset the stats AT ALL, you have to be at LEAST that muscular. 25+ BMI <20% bodyfat is vanishingly rare compared, even to <25 BMI >20% bodyfat, let alone the 25+ BMI and fat people. And then there are the women, and they're even worse off in this regard. The only swole women who achieve this standard are the rare gym rat women and the rare anavar roidtrannies.
I've done 1/2/3/4 and I've lost like 1.5 kg of lean mass due to an injury, but still, my lean mass isn't more than 66-something kg according to my bioimpedance scale.
BMI is a bad metric for someone who actually lifts, but these stats convey the situation very accurately. and others have said it too. Of course they do nothing to the stats in comparison to the massive amount of actual fatties at BMI of 25+ and the skinnyfats who are <25 BMI and too high in bodyfat percentage. However, you don't need to take gear to be 170 and <20% at 5'9, or equivalent. That's a year or two of earnest lifting, if not less.
>There are fit people that are classified as 'overweight,' just because their BMI is over 25
They are a minority. When it comes to your fit measurement (bodyfat%), the numbers are even worse: Over 70% of the Americans are obese.
Most people don't even exercise and the ones that do do baby shit so it doesn't count. Half the people in the gym are fatasses. BMI is retarded, but in the same time most are genuinely obese
Yeah sure everyone is just a 6'2 240lb jacked as fuck body builder. What the fuck are you smoking, have you gone outside lately? This place is fat as fuck.
homosexual OP aside, don't you guys also hate how often the statistics are presented as "x% of this group is classified as overweight or obese" without then going into further detail? Like I give a fuck how big that number is if it doesn't distinguish between people with a bit of a beer belly and actual lardballs
What pisses me off is when they don't couple it with bf%
Also guys at say below 20-25% bf shouldn't be included as obese (though 25% is already getting fat, but a bit of fat == obese). As for chicks, idk what their benchmark should be. But yes, vague inaccurate incomplete data pisses me off
People who are erroneously classed as obese by BMI, despite the extra weight being muscle and not fat:
>12% of men
>3% of women
People who are classed as normal weight by BMI, despite expected lean mass actually being fat:
>6% of men
>15% of women
So yeah, among men the actual obesity rate is 8% lower than BMI shows it to be. Among women the obesity problem is 12% worse than BMI data shows. Guess who's bitching day and night about BMI "overestimating obesity."
>the vertical line is at the obese threshold but the horizontal line is at the overweight threshold
What dumbfuck made this? Raise the line up to 30 BMI and the numbers change greatly
>25 BMI is considered overweight
>25/35% BF is considered overweight (not obese)
it lines up. besides the relative disparity between men and women stays about the same. point is: OP is partially correct, using BMI overestimates obesity in men and underestimates it in women. ever notice how women in your office are constantly either too hot or too cold? hormones? maybe a bit, but mostly they lack the muscle mass to efficiently thermo-regulate. modern women are weak as fuck, modern man are bad but not nearly as bad.
where did you read that? Everywhere I look over 25% is considered obese for men
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/body-fat-percentage-chart#men
https://us.humankinetics.com/blogs/excerpt/normal-ranges-of-body-weight-and-body-fat
https://goshenhealth.com/blog-articles/february-2017/bmi-vs-body-fat-which-number-is-more-important
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7229792/
Okay, let's see:
>https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/body-fat-percentage-chart#men
to quote:
>between 25 and 29.9 indicates a person is overweight
>above 30 indicates a person has obesity
>https://goshenhealth.com/blog-articles/february-2017/bmi-vs-body-fat-which-number-is-more-important
to quote:
>Overweight: 25.0 to 29.9
>Obese: 30 or greater
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7229792/
to quote:
>Even though the BMI thresholds for overweight and obesity, as established by WHO, are well defined, it is far from obvious what the actual cut-offs for BF% are.
So, of the 4 sources you posted:
>2 back my statement and the chart I posted
>1 contradicts it
>1 (also arguably the most reputable) states that what constitutes "overweight" or "obese" by BF is not well defined and agreed upon
Besides, the point is moot: even if you change the cut-off. The exact percentages would change but the general takeaway is still the same. Just looking at the shape those datasets make is enough to see that. But feel free to move the cut-off line and count the dots to prove me wrong. I know you're desperate for a dopamine hit by proving someone wrong.
>2 back my statement and the chart I posted
you have quoted the parts about BMI you illiterate retard. And I'm not disagreeing with the point you are making, just with the numbers you are presenting. Even the chart you posted says "overweight BMI" and you still wrote "classed as obese by BMI" ffs, you are making a mess with the data at your disposal.
>And I'm not disagreeing with the point you are making, just with the numbers you are presenting.
I didn't make that chart. Since there isn't a widely agreed upon definition where the border between overweight and obese is according to BF: taking their methodology at face value seems reasonable, especially when the trend is such that using different criteria would just barely change the result.
Came to post this.
Although I'd argue that 25% bodyfat is more than overweight with men.
Yeah I'd put the max reasonable BF at 20% for men, and maybe 28% for women.
25% bodyfat on a guy is fucking fat. And 35% on a woman is also fucking fat.
>obese
Yeah yeah what about OVERFAT
Obese is like the top x% of fatties but there are millions of people who are OVERFAT i.e. carry more than a healthy amount of fat
All of these people are a health catastrophy in process, and they all cost you, even you Americans who don't have communist healthcare are paying for these people indirectly with massively raised prices on insurance etc.
Treat fatness as a mental health condition/addiction, spot caliper checks by the fat police with summary sentences to internment in fat labour camps until healthy, when
Current goal is 26/27 bmi.
BMI is absolutely accurate. I have never met a person who had high BMI that wasn't fat. The only borderline cases are IFBB pro's who aren't obese in a sense that they'd carry too much fat but they are actually even worse. Size is size, your heart doesn't care if its muscle or fat. Actually the muscle is even more taxing and causes more stress on your system.
That’s it chud, gonna have to pull the post body card on this one
>there's 2 meters tall 80lbs skellys out there
Consider me officially spooked.
I don't have preconceived notions that you presume. The majority are not overweight OR obese, while a minority are physically fit. Let alone strong from lifting weights, which takes more hard work than just not being overweight.
Running and not overeating is enough to get in good shape and stay in good shape.
Lifting weights to get stronger requires even more discipline and hard work.
Key ingredients:
Discipline
Hard work
Something you can't buy with a credit card
That's the beauty of it. You can be a billionaire or a construction worker, you can have seven degrees or a GED, but without DISCIPLINE and HARD WORK you cannot master your body, and the body is physical and visual evidence of these internal character traits.
Studies were don't and in nearly all cases where BMI was wrong it was because said person had a healthy BMI while having excessive body fat. So in reality, BMI underestimates the severity of the problem.
The cases of being overweight by BMI but lean are vanishingly small in number, just a handful of extreme outliers.
If you have zero muscle you can be obese without having an overweight BMI. So yea, bmi is inaccurate, just not in the way you think.
measuring bodyfat makes it greater than 80% of Americans are obese, which accounts for the weightlifters @ 26 BMI
Hope this helps.
Yes it is. They moved the goalposts.
"BMI is bad" is just a colossal cope. You are not a bodybuilder on a cocktail of drugs and you are not a hulking professional athlete. You are chubby and dysmorphic about being thinner and fitter than you really are because you are surrounded by a genpop that is deeply disgusting and would be appalling to witness for anyone in any other place and time.